What will Coronato be next year?

[traptor]

6.75 is alot for frost.


I'd offer him like 5.7x5 which is comparable to the lindholm deal Tre did.

If he wants to force his way to UFA,then trade him and recoup what you can

[dissentowner]

Frost has not showed his upside yet imo. I think 6 x 6.5M would be a good deal for us.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Why would Frost command that number with 31pts in 68gp. A deal similar to his buddy Farabee's perhaps.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Frost will be 26 in a few months. How much more does he have in him? He might top out at a 50 point player.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Never go 3, one, two or long term

Why not? In Coronato's case he still has 5 years to UFA. For most junior players it's only 4. So for them 3 is not a great term. But in this case it's s bit unique and works since he'd still have 2 more years as a RFA.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Why not? In Coronato's case he still has 5 years to UFA. For most junior players it's only 4. So for them 3 is not a great term. But in this case it's s bit unique and works since he'd still have 2 more years as a RFA.

He can still pull a Tkachuk with three years. If you want to bridge it’s got to be two years IMO

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He can still pull a Tkachuk with three years. If you want to bridge it’s got to be two years IMO

How does he ‘pull a Tkachuk’ if his contract expires two years before UFA?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How does he ‘pull a Tkachuk’ if his contract expires two years before UFA?

Because some people think Tkachuk was the one who wanted to sign for 3 years so he could take off when it expired. So, using that logic, Wolf would just sign for another two years (at that time) to do the same thing.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Because some people think Tkachuk was the one who wanted to sign for 3 years so he could take off when it expired. So, using that logic, Wolf would just sign for another two years (at that time) to do the same thing.

Yeah but Tkachuck's 3 year deal expired with him having one year to UFA and a high dollar QO to get there. Coronato would need a 4 year deal to do the same thing.

Tkachuck and most players ELC burned up 3 of his 7 RFA years. Coronato's only burned 2. Plus he can't get an offersheet. So there is a bit more flexibility here to make a deal.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He can still pull a Tkachuk with three years. If you want to bridge it’s got to be two years IMO

So he'd have to Tkachuck for 2 years. You clearly don't see the difference between 5 years to UFA and 4. Stuck in your stubborn ways.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Why not? In Coronato's case he still has 5 years to UFA. For most junior players it's only 4. So for them 3 is not a great term. But in this case it's s bit unique and works since he'd still have 2 more years as a RFA.

The shrewd move would be to be ballsy and lock him up to a max term deal because it fits so well with the Flames current build/trajectory. At this point you could overpay by $1-2M per, but you could also end up with a heck of a contract in doing so as it seems like he's on his way to a big season next year and moving forward. He's not the type of player I would be overly worried about falling off completely.

Obviously it takes two to tango, but he's a smart kid and I bet he'd have a real hard time passing up life changing, 7-8 year security at his age. For him, he'd also benefit from having another shot at a sizable UFA deal when he is only 30.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Why would Frost command that number with 31pts in 68gp. A deal similar to his buddy Farabee's perhaps.

Farabee signed the contract when the cap was $82.5 mil. Frost will be signing when it is $96 mil. That jump alone, if Frost got the same % as Farabee it would be $5.81 mil. Farabee was younger and buying a couple UFA years.

Frost is 26 soon. You are buying pretty much all UFA years.

If you don't give him at least 6 years for more than $6 mil, they will be trading him this summer. I'm ok with that, but I think Kadri is the guy that should go.

Frost has played well but hasn't produced. I think that will change down the stretch.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The shrewd move would be to be ballsy and lock him up to a max term deal because it fits so well with the Flames current build/trajectory. At this point you could overpay by $1-2M per, but you could also end up with a heck of a contract in doing so as it seems like he's on his way to a big season next year and moving forward. He's not the type of player I would be overly worried about falling off completely.

Obviously it takes two to tango, but he's a smart kid and I bet he'd have a real hard time passing up life changing, 7-8 year security at his age. For him, he'd also benefit from having another shot at a sizable UFA deal when he is only 30.

This is the way. We've lost out on so many great players by being cheap and waiting to see if we can save a few bucks. Lock him into the longest term deal possible as early as possible, and hope that he continues to grow.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

This is the way. We've lost out on so many great players by being cheap and waiting to see if we can save a few bucks. Lock him into the longest term deal possible as early as possible, and hope that he continues to grow.

There are risks both ways, but the reward is much greater wrapping him up for 8 years. If he plays his way into a steal of a contract, this team needs that kind of deal as we don't get discounts for newly signed players often.

If we regret it, good chance we won't he whole deal. He is young enough, a bad season or 2 at the start of the deal doesn't mean he won't play well the entire deal. Dubois and IMO Cozens with Ottawa will be a couple examples of bad contracts that turn good simply because players started bad when they first signed and turned it around. Young players aren't always consistent.

Huberdeau might even play his way into a decent deal. The risk is low with Coronato.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

That's what I'm saying. I think a bridge deal is probably what happens, but I hope they go for an 8 year deal. The question is what do I think the team should offer to get it done and convince Coronato, Zary and Frost to stay for 8 years.

Frost and Zary are older so buying more UFA years.

Coronato appears to have the higher upside though.

I wouldn't be upset with:

Coronato - 8 years $7.25 mil

Frost - 8 years $6.75 mil

Zary - 8 years $6.5 mil

I think all 3 would have to consider these amounts. Frost is closest to UFA but never exceeded 50 points in a season yet so taking this big pay day has to be his first choice.

The other 2 are young enough to get 1 more big payday.

This would be pretty bad given the other contracts on our roster. Collective ~4-5 mil overpay. Wolf is the only player we will need to pay through the teeth. The others are all very similar to farabee when he signed his current contract and look how that turned out! He was viewed as an anchor.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Huberdeau might even play his way into a decent deal. The risk is low with Coronato.

Sorry man, this is absolute delusion. Huberdeau needs to put up 90 to be a decent deal.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sorry man, this is absolute delusion. Huberdeau needs to put up 90 to be a decent deal.

Under the current cap sure, that is going up.

He's also on pace for 32 goals and 65 points. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets close to 70 points.

Still a bit to go but that 1st line looks good.

In a $113 mil cap Huberdeau's contract converts to $8.08 mil in $87 mil cap. 70 points isn't bad on a low scoring defensive team.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This would be pretty bad given the other contracts on our roster. Collective ~4-5 mil overpay. Wolf is the only player we will need to pay through the teeth. The others are all very similar to farabee when he signed his current contract and look how that turned out! He was viewed as an anchor.

Once again you are looking at the old cap. If you do, you lose all your players because none will sign based on a cap 3 years ago.

[Jiri Hrdina]

If you get to the point that Huberdeau is around 3-3.5M overpaid you can live with that, and it is much better than where it was tracking 18 months ago.
And we might be already close to that point. Question is - how long will it sustain through the contract.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So he'd have to Tkachuck for 2 years. You clearly don't see the difference between 5 years to UFA and 4. Stuck in your stubborn ways.

lol a little dramatic I was a year off on his UFA date but I don’t really see the appeal of a bridge if the Flames think he is part of the future core. There will be cap risk with the contract for sure but I’d rather they have him locked in through 30 rather than 33. Lock him up for three and you may escape 5 years of overpayment but if he is a core then they’ll have to pay him even more in three years. They don’t need the cap space and should let it rip if he is a core piece