[Trade] Habs trade Monahan to the Jets for a 2024 1st and cond 2027 3rd

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Here is what happened to the Flames core

Gaudreau -> nothing
Tkachuk-> Huberdeau and Weegar
Monahan -> 2 1st picks for the Habs
Lindholm-> Kuzmenko and picks+prospects

That just isn't the case. Monahan likely walks for nothing.

[Sylvanfan]

Wow I'm surprised Winnipeg spent that to get Monahan. The conditional pick I understand, but that could still be an okay first around 22 overall type of thing. Hopefully he stays healthy for them.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Monahan took a ton of abuse from this fanbase over the last few years here, and was also heavily underutilized when he was in the lineup.

I don’t think either of these things are true. Monahan was always a fan favourite in his time here and heavily relied on as an all situations player. His body fell apart as a result, which for the most part people acknowledged as an unfortunate reality.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Absolutely the Monahan trade to Mtl was a complete disaster from the day it happened and 1 of many terrible moves by the so called Wizard.

What's hilarious is that the majority of Flames fans were totally fine with the move when it happened, justifying it as Monahan + 1st for Kadri when in reality it was gross asset mismanagement.

I actually don't think the majority of fans were totally fine with the trade and a lot of people didn't like the sequence needed to sign Kadri

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That just isn't the case. Monahan likely walks for nothing.

It’s the case for the Habs

That’s all I am sayin

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Here is what happened to the Flames core

Gaudreau -> nothing
Tkachuk-> Huberdeau and Weegar
Monahan -> 2 1st picks for the Habs
Lindholm-> Kuzmenko and picks+prospects

The clearer way to put this just from the Flames perspective (the only thing we care about) is:

Gaudreau -> Nothing
Tkachuk -> Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt, +1st round pick
Monahan -> -1st round pick
Lindholm -> Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, +1st round pick, +4th round pick

It's not a good outcome. There's no reason to put a slant on it (such as calling out Montreal's 1st round pick gains and then just summarizing the Flames as "picks+prospects"). The facts paint an ugly picture.

...Conroy is working on recovering from it. He's doing a good job so far in my eyes. Anyone who thought there was going to be a quick fix was kidding themselves (myself included at times)

[Elkyiv]

When Treliving traded Monahan to MTL, there were still questions if he can rebound following his injury. It made sense at the time. Seeing that he has indeed rebounded, it warrants adding a pick.

If Treliving was trading a 35 pts in 49 games Monahan, and not a 23 pts in 65 games Monahan, he wouldn't need to throw a first in?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So the Jets are blowing assets for nothing but the Flames trading a first and having a different player to compete for the division (which Winnipeg is actually doing) isn’t terrible.

I'm saying it's worth it for the Jets as they are trying to win. The Flames looked to be a contender when they made those deals. Media was all over the Flames being one of the favorites to win the cup.

When the season is over, you can circle back and say all the teams that traded picks to win were dumb and did not manage their assets. Only 1 team wins

Bacially what most do(some didn't like from day 1) is circle back when things didn't work out and say that GM is dumb. There was a ton of hype that summer when Treliving pulled those moves off.

[haiku]

usual brigade
excuses for treliving
wizard laugh out loud

[taxbuster]

Happy for Monny. Moves the Jets forward.


Now...can we trade Edwards?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can't imagine a scenario where a winger like him brings in a 1st round pick as a rental unless he gets back to his 2022/23 production.

Give Kuzmenko big time minutes and all the right opportunities next year. Hopefully he scores 20-25 goals by the deadline next season (or on pace for 50-60 points) and absolutely I think he will bring back a 1st round pick next season. Especially if we are able to retain.

For instance, I am sure a team like the Rangers would love to bring him in.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I get people are still pissed at Tre for trading him and a first to make cap room. That said todays trade really doesn’t have anything to do with it. He re-signed with Montreal as a ufa at a far far less salary. Do you think he gets a first making $6 million?

Yeah, once his Flames contract expired, the situation changed.

If he had signed a one-year deal with Ottawa last summer and they flipped him to the Jets for this same package, I don't think we'd be seeing the same reaction, even though it wouldn't really be any different.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by haiku

usual brigade
excuses for treliving
wizard laugh out loud

Guessing that was directed at me.

At least I'm consistent. I'm not all over the guy now that he's no longer the team's GM.

I see him as a pretty smart guy with integrity, not as Machiavellian agent of destruction that many do.

Doesn't add up.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The clearer way to put this just from the Flames perspective (the only thing we care about) is:

Gaudreau -> Nothing
Tkachuk -> Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt, +1st round pick
Monahan -> -1st round pick
Lindholm -> Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, +1st round pick, +4th round pick

It's not a good outcome. There's no reason to put a slant on it (such as calling out Montreal's 1st round pick gains and then just summarizing the Flames as "picks+prospects"). The facts paint an ugly picture.

...Conroy is working on recovering from it. He's doing a good job so far in my eyes. Anyone who thought there was going to be a quick fix was kidding themselves (myself included at times)

Yeah, the 1st for Tkachuk went to Montreal. The net result for Monahan is nothing for the Flames. That’s why I put 2 picks for the Habs and nothing for the Flames

But your post is clearer from the Flames perspective

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah, the 1st for Tkachuk went to Montreal. The net result for Monahan is nothing for the Flames. That’s why I put 2 picks for the Habs and nothing for the Flames

But your post is clearer from the Flames perspective

Which is key because the basis for your post was the Flames perspective.

[Calgary4LIfe]

No point getting angry over the trade that Treliving did. Montreal leveraged their cap space well, and ended up with two first round picks and a conditional second (edit: Oops, conditional 3rd). That's weaponizing cap space.


I hope that Conroy finds this kind of an opportunity. He is being prudent with retention so far, and publicly saying that the premium wasn't enough to retain on anybody thus far. Keep being prudent, and hopefully this type of a move materializes for the Flames, or teams will pony-up assets to retain on the expected players being shipped out, or acting as a middleman.


The one good thing I know Conroy will do is not eat up all the cap space at once. Look to retain now, look for a cap dump in the off-season. Would be nice to have the Florida pick on top of the pile of assets that the Flames will have, but it is gone. I hope he finds an equal or even better opportunity.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Montreal gained two 1st round picks for free and I wouldn’t be shocked if they re-signed him in the summer. Their fans loved him and he seemed to like playing there.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by heep223

I don’t think either of these things are true. Monahan was always a fan favourite in his time here and heavily relied on as an all situations player. His body fell apart as a result, which for the most part people acknowledged as an unfortunate reality.

I am not talking about his entire tenure, but more specifically the last year and a half, maybe two years here. He most certainly wasn't getting any free passes around the here or the city of Calgary. Soft, lazy, overpaid, terrible defensively, can't score, etc..

Additionally his three most common linemates his last year here (by a longshot) were Milan Lucic, Trevor Lewis and Dillon Dube. So, yes, I do think this organization sunk it's own asset to a large degree and then paid handsomely to move it.

[lazypucker]

The only thing that will comfort me about the Mony trades is for him to come back in the summer and re-sign multi-year for the Flames for sub-$4m to play 2nd line minutes...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

The only thing that will comfort me about the Mony trades is for him to come back in the summer and re-sign multi-year for the Flames for sub-$4m to play 2nd line minutes...

No thanks.