[Trade] Habs trade Monahan to the Jets for a 2024 1st and cond 2027 3rd

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Well, no, not really.

It was a terrible trade at the time, but I don't think this changes much.

Monahan was again hurt last year and would have walked to free agency if he were a Flame. That much is a certainty.

Nobody knows what would have happened

But that’s the possible outcome

[HighLifeMan]

I am happy for Sean, and don't really care what Montreal received back. It doesn't change anything.

Monahan took a ton of abuse from this fanbase over the last few years here, and was also heavily underutilized when he was in the lineup.

This is example A of absolutely piss poor asset management whether it be from allowing him to play through injuries for years, removing him from the top PP unit when he was leading the team in PP points, and then forcing him to play a fourth line role with plugs down the stretch. Countless mistakes were made along the way which were only further compounded by the trade and subsequent signing of Kadri to a retirement contract.

Brutal stuff.

[NewFan]

What are you waiting Colorado? Kadri is still available!

[ForeverFlameFan]

Keep in mind Scheifele is out and the Jets likely lost out on Lindy. Makes you wonder if they are having second thoughts with not upping their offer to get him. Monahan is also a low cap hit, the Jets could potentially make another move.

Glad Monahan gets to play some meaningful hockey. I really hope we re-sign him as a stopgap in the off-season since we are without Lindholm.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is the best explanation
https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/11/14/a...with-diagrams/

So it's trending to be a 2025 1st?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by devo22

honestly, I'm just still mad at the whole "give up a 1st to sign Kadri" thing. Hated it the minute it happened and it's only gotten worse. Just terrible, terrible asset management.

Kadri is on pace for the 2nd best point total of his career. Cap is going up, there is still a chance he recovers an asset at some point.

If Huberdeau played like a superstar, this team would be a good team and probably battling for the division rather than rebuilding. At the time, adding Kadri wasn't terrible. At some point teams need to try and win and not just asset manage. Jets probably are blowing assets for nothing right now. If they win the cup or even go on a deep playoff run, it's worth it.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He already ####ed up way before that my friend

He built a pretty solid hockey team. I have to give him that. Did he make mistakes? Sure. But every GM does. I think the biggest blunder was bridging Tkachuk.

I’m just glad he got the team to a point where they consistently draft and develop well.

[home_sweet_dome]

Absolutely the Monahan trade to Mtl was a complete disaster from the day it happened and 1 of many terrible moves by the so called Wizard.

What's hilarious is that the majority of Flames fans were totally fine with the move when it happened, justifying it as Monahan + 1st for Kadri when in reality it was gross asset mismanagement.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by codynw

He built a pretty solid hockey team. I have to give him that. Did he make mistakes? Sure. But every GM does. I think the biggest blunder was bridging Tkachuk.

Along with Hamonic and the UFAs and the coaches and the goalies etc

He was gifted the core but messed up filling out the team to win

[FlamesAddiction]

Looks like Jets and Canucks might be getting into an arms race.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kadri is on pace for the 2nd best point total of his career. Cap is going up, there is still a chance he recovers an asset at some point.

If Huberdeau played like a superstar, this team would be a good team and probably battling for the division rather than rebuilding. At the time, adding Kadri wasn't terrible. At some point teams need to try and win and not just asset manage. Jets probably are blowing assets for nothing right now. If they win the cup or even go on a deep playoff run, it's worth it.

So the Jets are blowing assets for nothing but the Flames trading a first and having a different player to compete for the division (which Winnipeg is actually doing) isn’t terrible.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Absolutely the Monahan trade to Mtl was a complete disaster from the day it happened and 1 of many terrible moves by the so called Wizard.

What's hilarious is that the majority of Flames fans were totally fine with the move when it happened, justifying it as Monahan + 1st for Kadri when in reality it was gross asset mismanagement.

Most people thought Monahan’s career was over. He couldn’t tie his own skates. Dumping him backfired BIG TIME but at the time it looked fine.

[kyuss275]

I get people are still pissed at Tre for trading him and a first to make cap room. That said todays trade really doesn’t have anything to do with it. He re-signed with Montreal as a ufa at a far far less salary. Do you think he gets a first making $6 million?

[getoverit]

there are some learnings, the value of cap space and buying out some short term contracts for picks as we retool

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kadri is on pace for the 2nd best point total of his career. Cap is going up, there is still a chance he recovers an asset at some point.



If Huberdeau played like a superstar, this team would be a good team and probably battling for the division rather than rebuilding. At the time, adding Kadri wasn't terrible. At some point teams need to try and win and not just asset manage. Jets probably are blowing assets for nothing right now. If they win the cup or even go on a deep playoff run, it's worth it.

I don't care about his pace or the cap going up. Giving up a good pick to sign a UFA is bad asset management, no matter the situation and it's no wonder other teams don't do it. If they did, Gaudreau might well be playing in Philly or New Jersey right now.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Good for Monahan to be heading into the playoffs again.
When was his last playoffs series? Against Dallas in the bubble?

[Bingo]

Montreal was pretty shrewd for sure, little doubt on that.

Calgary would never have gotten a first from Montreal as he would have been a UFA last year and just walked away with little value.

I don't see this Treliving unhinged view that many do. I see a GM that thought his team could compete finding a replacement for the other core forward he lost in Gaudreau walking away.

Many pundits had the Flames as one of the team's to beat, so he wasn't that far off the "expert" view.

Didn't work out, but it's hardly the mad scientist angle that many are taking.

Nor do I buy the guy looking to leave screwing his team suggestion. He wanted to stay but they chose Sutter.

[Flamesfan05]

Here is what happened to the Flames core

Gaudreau -> nothing
Tkachuk-> Huberdeau and Weegar
Monahan -> 2 1st picks for the Habs
Lindholm-> Kuzmenko and picks+prospects

[greyshep]

Good for MTL but wow they came out like bandits on the Monahan thing. Hard not to be jealous of this.

Ugh for us.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We can take solace in the fact that the guy that made a few of the worser trades (Hamonic, Monahan) in franchise history is now running the Leafs.

That's why I'm confident Leafs ain't gonna be winning a cup for quite a while still.

Toronto is gonna eat him alive once they figure out what he's about. Good riddance. Should've had stayed here as long as he did, and Flames got saved by him not wanting to stick around. Hopefully Conroy has learned what NOT to do from Treliving.