2023/24 No Hope Flames Rumours & Speculation Thread

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Forwards who will 100% make the team:
Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund, Coleman, Dube, Sharangovich.

This leaves room for 4 more.
Pelletier, Duehr, Coronato, Ruzicka are probably the 4. Zary is most likely next.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Coronato
Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube
Coleman - Backlund - Pelletier
Duehr - Ruzicka - Sharangovich

I think the RW position will see a lot of movement amongst lines.

Swap Coronato and Sharangovich. I doubt the coaching staff are penciling in a guy with 1 NHL game under his belt as the #1 RW.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Winnipeg really needs to give Heinola a shot or trade him.

This looks to be his last season that they can put him through waivers. Next year he would have to clear waivers so I think they are hoping he forces his way onto the team. Otherwise it could look like another Valamaki scenario.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Who sits at that point? Ruczicka and Coronato?

I have no idea. Unless injuries or a trade happen, probably Ruzicka, getting to play every 3rd game. I think that Ruzicka is better offensively, but Jones seems like a player that could thrive in that role, and not get frustrated by only playing on the 4th line. That's why he is my Jooris candidate for training camp.

Obviously take it with a grain of salt because I was really high on a player like Mackey who looked better than Valimaki when they were both playing in the A.

I don't know what needs to go wrong for Coronato to sit at this point, he has a spot to lose the same goes for Pelletier, and Duehr.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Forwards who will 100% make the team:
Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund, Coleman, Dube, Sharangovich.

This leaves room for 4 more.
Pelletier, Duehr, Coronato, Ruzicka are probably the 4. Zary is most likely next.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Coronato
Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube
Coleman - Backlund - Pelletier
Duehr - Ruzicka - Sharangovich

I think the RW position will see a lot of movement amongst lines.

Shargovich's skillset matches up way too perfectly with what has made Huberdeau an assist machine in the past to not play him on his line to start the season. I mean, I'd go so far as to suggest that Conroy likely even targeted a player that would help propel Huberdeau this season.

He did so in a soft trade market and Sharangovich was that player.

[TheIronMaiden]

Mangiapane - Lindholm- Coronato
Huberdeau - Dube - Sharangovich
Duehr - Kadri - Pelletier
Coleman - Backlund - Ruzicka

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Mangiapane - Lindholm- Coronato
Huberdeau - Dube - Sharangovich
Duehr - Kadri - Pelletier
Coleman - Backlund - Ruzicka

Your 2023 Calgary Lotteries!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Your 2023 Calgary Lotteries!

Its a line up that could go either way. If any of the young players pop then the Flames may be off to the races, if they don't then we are off to the draft.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Your 2023 Calgary Lotteries!

By technicality only. That’s a just outside of playoffs team again

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Your 2023 Calgary Lotteries!

Or the Calgary Pillows.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Or the Calgary Pillows.

Softer than Charmin.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Its a line up that could go either way. If any of the young players pop then the Flames may be off to the races, if they don't then we are off to the draft.

Agreed. If the Huberdeau rebounds to 90, Kadri to 70, Mangiapane to 55, and we see 2-3 young players become 40ish point guys, all of a sudden the depth is out of control.

If things stay the same, the Flames have lost their best scorer from last year, and they are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

[Monahammer]

Kadri's career high is 61 points before the cup season. I think we should expect basically the same thing as last year from Kadri- that's on pace with his averages pretty much across the board. So "rebounding" to 70 isn't likely at all.

[Monahammer]

Likewise Huberdeau, he's only actually hit 90+ points twice. Two other times he was on pace but injuries stopped him.

IMO it is unlikely we can expect 90 out of him. 82 games is what we should be hoping for most.

[Monahammer]

If Huberdeau got 80 points and Kadri got 60, it would be each of their 3rd best ever statistical seasons, at the unlikely ages they are at to achieve those.

Since people don't like using just last season as a statistical example for the club and it's players, I think it's equally stupid to only measure using the immediate season preceding. Use their whole careers.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Likewise Huberdeau, he's only actually hit 90+ points twice. Two other times he was on pace but injuries stopped him.

IMO it is unlikely we can expect 90 out of him. 82 games is what we should be hoping for most.

The two other times were COVID-shortened seasons.

He’s only missed more than a small handful of games twice in his career.

He’s missed 6 games total over the last 6 seasons.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If Huberdeau got 80 points and Kadri got 60, it would be each of their 3rd best ever statistical seasons, at the unlikely ages they are at to achieve those.

Since people don't like using just last season as a statistical example for the club and it's players, I think it's equally stupid to only measure using the immediate season preceding. Use their whole careers.

Huberdeau paced for 90+ points for four straight years prior to his arrival here. Are you really going to use COVID shortened years against him?

Additionally - Kadri's production wasn't the issue. It was his lack of compete and career worst -19 that were the problems.. If he can put up 25-30 goals, and 60 points while winning his matchups at even strength we are a far better team as a result.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Kadri's career high is 61 points before the cup season. I think we should expect basically the same thing as last year from Kadri- that's on pace with his averages pretty much across the board. So "rebounding" to 70 isn't likely at all.

Honestly a 60-65 point Kadri with the edge we're accustomed to seeing him bring to games every season before arriving in Calgary is good by me.

The problem was he was slightly below his average with absolutely no edge last season.

At least be hard to play against and a nuisance around the net.

What happened to the guy that TBL fans wanted to murder?

He can absolutely bring more without needing to push up his point totals that significantly.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If Huberdeau got 80 points and Kadri got 60, it would be each of their 3rd best ever statistical seasons, at the unlikely ages they are at to achieve those.

Since people don't like using just last season as a statistical example for the club and it's players, I think it's equally stupid to only measure using the immediate season preceding. Use their whole careers.

Another way to say that is prior to arriving here, Huberdeau hadn't had a below 90 points pace season since 2017/2018. In 2019/20, when he had 78 points, he played all 69 games for the Panthers. In 2020/21, when Huberdeau had 61 points he played 55/56 games for the Panthers.

Kadri had 56 points last year, on a miserable team that he clearly hated playing on. To conclude that he can't rebound to 60, after having 87 points 2 years ago, seems pretty negative.

"Use their whole careers" doesn't really seem all that effective of a way of doing things, when you have to account for rookies developing and the fact Kadri was stuck behind Matthews and Tavares in Toronto. Technically, through his whole career, Kadri is a 57 point centre...I'd be happy with that, if he also brings some physicality and great two way play, like he's done through his whole career except last year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by blankall

Another way to say that is prior to arriving here, Huberdeau hadn't had a below 90 points pace season since 2017/2018. In 2019/20, when he had 78 points, he played all 69 games for the Panthers. In 2020/21, when Huberdeau had 61 points he played 55/56 games for the Panthers.

Kadri had 56 points last year, on a miserable team that he clearly hated playing on. To conclude that he can't rebound to 60, after having 87 points 2 years ago, seems pretty negative.

"Use their whole careers" doesn't really seem all that effective of a way of doing things, when you have to account for rookies developing and the fact Kadri was stuck behind Matthews and Tavares in Toronto. Technically, through his whole career, Kadri is a 57 point centre...I'd be happy with that, if he also brings some physicality and great two way play, like he's done through his whole career except last year.

Was a quote floating around from Kadri talking about how they got restricted in how they could play last year, and he expects everyone to have a lot better years.

Its a game go out and have fun and show your skill. Defend hard when you have to but when you have the puck lets make some plays and show that skill.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Was a quote floating around from Kadri talking about how they got restricted in how they could play last year, and he expects everyone to have a lot better years.

Its a game go out and have fun and show your skill. Defend hard when you have to but when you have the puck lets make some plays and show that skill.

Sutter may have had the most restrictive system in the history of the NHL....possibly the NJD trap system under Lemaire was worse, possibly.