[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The historically conservative dinosaurs pushing 60/70 might want to take pause before voting Smith given that healthcare could be a particularly relevant issue to them in the coming years. The way things have trended under her watch isn't encouraging. It's actually slightly terrifying.

Hopefully people look at their values to guide them, more than their preconceived notions around the colour of the banner.

[Stewie991]

Originally Posted by #-3

The hope comes from the fact that they want to fix the existing system.

When the UPCs explicitly stated goal is to undermine the existing system so that they can sell it off piecemeal to private interests, until it can not longer function as an institution. because they have the misguided belief that by injecting profits into the medical industry you will get cheaper and higher quality care.

Seems like it’s Every Provinces Goal! Its nowhere any better then Here!

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by #-3

The hope comes from the fact that they want to fix the existing system.

When the UPCs explicitly stated goal is to undermine the existing system so that they can sell it off piecemeal to private interests, until it can not longer function as an institution. because they have the misguided belief that by injecting profits into the medical industry you will get cheaper and higher quality care.

Is the goal to have a higher level of healthcare available to the people of Alberta or to retain the system. Not saying the old system might not be the way to go either, I just wont get hung up on preserving the way it was done as a obstacle to what might be. Personally, semi private healthcare in Alberta has served me very well in the past, and am glad it was available to me.


UPCs explicitly stated goal is to undermine the existing system so that they can sell it off piecemeal to private interests, until it can not longer function as an institution.

I must have missed this part in the UCP elections platform stating this intention.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

What gives you hope the NDP will be able to provide the experience you expect? did they make the system better when in power and give us a strong foundation leading up to the pandemic? no. Did they have the Health system performing at optimum while in power? no. I am far from giving the UCP a pass for the condition the healthcare system is in, there needs to be a large amount of change. Both sides have campaign platforms running on strengthening Health care, I just done expect either to be able to deliver. The system is broken, and needs to be torn down and rebuild (like the flames). Retool is all we can expect.

The previous PC's spent 15 years talking about replacing the cancer centre, and the best they could do was to carve out apiece of the south health campus, and figure that was good enough. The NDP got it done.

The NDP had a lab that would have brought jobs in research and made Alberta a centre for research and cutting edge lab techniques. The UCP tore up the contract, paid penalties, and bulldozed the site. The UCP gave a contract to a private who has proven incapable of delivering services in a reasonable time, and has now tied us to them until Alberta can somehow find a way out, which won't be easy with a shrunken public lab system and huge barriers to entry for competition.

Why would a HCW want to even come to Alberta given how the UCP find them contemptible? The mere fact that the UCP are in government is enough to make the challenge recruiting that much harder, on top of making up for the losses that will occur after the election.

I gave you some specific points why the UCP will be bad, but you didn't address those.

But in general, you can see Notley cares about healthcare, where for Smith it's a check box for the election, and a route to privatization after.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The historically conservative dinosaurs pushing 60/70 might want to take pause before voting Smith given that healthcare could be a particularly relevant issue to them in the coming years. The way things have trended under her watch isn't encouraging. It's actually slightly terrifying.

Hopefully people look at their values to guide them, more than their preconceived notions around the colour of the banner.

No, the issue with health care is with those other people who abuse the system, not with them. The UCP and Danielle Smith is going to fix it for them to prevent the NDP from ruining it by spending all of the money on things like forced conversion therapy.

The fact of the matter is that the UCP is doing everything that they can to protect the health care system from the tyranny that has been inflicted on us by the NDP.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Is the goal to have a higher level of healthcare available to the people of Alberta or to retain the system. Not saying the old system might not be the way to go either, I just wont get hung up on preserving the way it was done as a obstacle to what might be. Personally, semi private healthcare in Alberta has served me very well in the past, and am glad it was available to me.

UPCs explicitly stated goal is to undermine the existing system so that they can sell it off piecemeal to private interests, until it can not longer function as an institution.

I must have missed this part in the UCP elections platform stating this intention.

Are you just going to ignore 20 years of Smith making plans to privatize healthcare? Like a switch just went off, and suddenly she is a defender of public health? You aren't really that naive, are you?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

No, the issue with health care is with those other people who abuse the system, not with them. The UCP and Danielle Smith is going to fix it for them to prevent the NDP from ruining it by spending all of the money on things like forced conversion therapy.

The fact of the matter is that the UCP is doing everything that they can to protect the health care system from the tyranny that has been inflicted on us by the NDP.

G...greentext?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Is the goal to have a higher level of healthcare available to the people of Alberta or to retain the system. Not saying the old system might not be the way to go either, I just wont get hung up on preserving the way it was done as a obstacle to what might be. Personally, semi private healthcare in Alberta has served me very well in the past, and am glad it was available to me.


UPCs explicitly stated goal is to undermine the existing system so that they can sell it off piecemeal to private interests, until it can not longer function as an institution.

I must have missed this part in the UCP elections platform stating this intention.

There are videos of her saying it. I'm paraphrasing because I have watched it in a week but [What you do if you create contracts with AHS that they cannot meet the terms of, then when they fail to meet the terms, you give the same contract to someone else and you aren't violating the Canada Health Act]. She wants to kneecap the public sector on purpose, then sell the assets off the private sector, it is her stated goal.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The previous PC's spent 15 years talking about replacing the cancer centre, and the best they could do was to carve out apiece of the south health campus, and figure that was good enough. The NDP got it done.

The NDP had a lab that would have brought jobs in research and made Alberta a centre for research and cutting edge lab techniques. The UCP tore up the contract, paid penalties, and bulldozed the site. The UCP gave a contract to a private who has proven incapable of delivering services in a reasonable time, and has now tied us to them until Alberta can somehow find a way out, which won't be easy with a shrunken public lab system and huge barriers to entry for competition.

Why would a HCW want to even come to Alberta given how the UCP find them contemptible? The mere fact that the UCP are in government is enough to make the challenge recruiting that much harder, on top of making up for the losses that will occur after the election.

I gave you some specific points why the UCP will be bad, but you didn't address those.

But in general, you can see Notley cares about healthcare, where for Smith it's a check box for the election, and a route to privatization after.

Oh no, we can't bring actual specific points anymore, it's not fair. Elections are about touchy feelies, not actual evidence.

[Muta]

Jeromy Farkas just said on CBCNN that he's voted (wouldn't say for who), and in a way he's never done before. Says he's socially progressive first, and then fiscally conservative second. I've actually enjoyed Farkas' recent interviews and voice of conservative sanity, which I never thought I'd find myself saying. Seems like he's really done some soul searching in recent times to identify what issues really matter for him.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you just going to ignore 20 years of Smith making plans to privatize healthcare? Like a switch just went off, and suddenly she is a defender of public health? You aren't really that naive, are you?

There is a zero percent chance healthcare in any province ever goes fully private. You aren’t really that naive, are you?

[Manhattanboy]

So with the scanned ballots can we expect significant results 30 minutes after polls close?

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

NDP supporters calling themselves informed and educated once again. Just because you are looking for free handouts does not make you either one of those two things.

I expect to end paying more taxes, still worth it to vote against Danielle Smith and her troglodyte TBA types.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

There is a zero percent chance healthcare in any province ever goes fully private. You aren’t really that naive, are you?

Going fully private isn't the fear.

The fear is that you have to work 40 hours / week, and make less than $50,000 annual household, and drive to the 3rd closest hospital to access public care, just like America.

Or alternatively re-mortgage your house just to pay for a hospital visit, or we can all be handcuffed to our jobs because our employers are picking up a $6000/ann tab on that healthcare bill.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

No, the issue with health care is with those other people who abuse the system, not with them. The UCP and Danielle Smith is going to fix it for them to prevent the NDP from ruining it by spending all of the money on things like forced conversion therapy.

The fact of the matter is that the UCP is doing everything that they can to protect the health care system from the tyranny that has been inflicted on us by the NDP.

Conversion therapy of any kind, never mind 'forced'? You know that's criminal in Canada, right?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Oh no, we can't bring actual specific points anymore, it's not fair. Elections are about touchy feelies, not actual evidence.

This is a disappointing interpretation with respect to the challenges of communicating epistemological differences.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

There is a zero percent chance healthcare in any province ever goes fully private. You aren’t really that naive, are you?

"Fully" is doing a hell of a lot of work here. Maybe there will always be a public option, but it'll be crap and unworkable, which to the Smiths of the world, is a feature, not a bug, since it drives even poor folks to private health care just to get proper service.

[Flames0910]

For those looking for handouts and for those saying the NDP don't have anything to offer, how about $9,500/year for a family of four? Or $7,200 on before/after school care? How about $10,000 in birth control costs for women?

(or we could give corporations a tax break of 3% )

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663273018863304721

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This is a disappointing interpretation with respect to the challenges of communicating epistemological differences.

What other interpretation is there? Your post was again full of vagueness and overarching ideals with no substance.

What did Notley do to the rural people of Alberta? Like actually do? Are you talking Bill-1 which did almost none of the things that were feared in regards to the family farm and actually assisted laborer's in rural Alberta?

What "pejorative and at worst marginalizing" did you mean in regards to NDP rhetoric? For the vast majority of the campaign all the NDP did was show clips of the bat#### crazy stuff that Smith has actually said.

How are the UCP actually supporting their constituents in rural Alberta by allowing funding to be siphoned away from the municipalities through funding cuts from the Provincial level or through allowing the millions in unpaid taxes to the municipalities to continue?

Your entire post just proved the point that the UCP have very few if no actual receipts that prove they are better at anything other than enriching the already rich and emboldening the bigots of society.

I'll admit I had to google "epistemological", and the key word I took out is Justifiable. I would love to see an actual justifiable argument instead of empty generalities.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Muta

Jeromy Farkas just said on CBCNN that he's voted (wouldn't say for who), and in a way he's never done before. Says he's socially progressive first, and then fiscally conservative second. I've actually enjoyed Farkas' recent interviews and voice of conservative sanity, which I never thought I'd find myself saying. Seems like he's really done some soul searching in recent times to identify what issues really matter for him.

That’s cause he realized his always say no but offer no solution style of loud politics only carried him to a city council seat and nowhere beyond.