[News] Kyle Dubas won't return as Leafs GM

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Its not like he's superman.. you could do what he did.

Besides the obvious eye roll of this statement, you don't want me GM'ing the Maple Leafs, I'm too skilled at NHL23 to make them a bottom feeder willingly.

[BsFaninCGY]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Pretty silly that you had two sides here who ultimately wanted the same thing yet couldn't get it done due to a lack of communication and by the sounds of things hurt feelings.

Totally agree. Sounded to me like Shanahan made an emotional decision instead of calculated one. Could still work out for him and the Leafs, but the way he spoke really felt like someone who was butthurt and sulky. There's a lot on the Leafs agenda this summer...hope whoever they hire is ready to hit the ground running.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Do folks here remember that Shanahan was Edwards original choice for the POHO position that ultimately went to Burke? I believe the deal was Shanahan wanted King’s job and be President on the hockey and business side and that is why he didn’t come here and less than a year later he ended up in Toronto.

He was. And he would've come here, more akin here though to the job Edwards pivoted and paid through the nose for Burke, desperate to get the organization some credibility after the former GM torpedoed it. At risk of opening this can of worms again, Shanahan's wife didn't want to come here.

[browna]

Originally Posted by BsFaninCGY

Totally agree. Sounded to me like Shanahan made an emotional decision instead of calculated one.

Well if you listen to Dubas' press conference, he certainly didn't sound "all in", which, if you take Shananhan at his word that Dubas was totally committed, and had all but signed off on returning, after the back and forth on contract terms in the days post season, would've given Shanahan mixed messages for sure.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by browna

Well if you listen to Dubas' press conference, he certainly didn't sound "all in", which, if you take Shananhan at his word that Dubas was totally committed, and had all but signed off on returning, after the back and forth on contract terms in the days post season, would've given Shanahan mixed messages for sure.

The Dubas press conference was a miscalculation on his behalf but at the same time - the higher ups in Toronto didn't exactly show very much belief in Kyle either after refusing to commit to him this past summer.

Letting these things trickle down to the final moments is never a good idea. We saw exactly that with Johhny and Treliving.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Imagine the reaction in Toronto if they were to hire Tre

Just lost Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and coming off of a disaster of a season

Gave Florida their top line, and Florida handily dispatched the Leafs

Leafs nation would absolutely explode

(Imagine when he brings in Sutter to get them over the hump!)

[Scooter]

[QUOTE=Winsor_Pilates;8715363]What's the summary on Dubas?

Aside from the Leafs playoff fails, how has his trades/contracts/drafting been?

I don't follow the Leafs close enough to really have an opinion on him.[/QUOTE Well you can start with the $11.5 m contract he gave Tavares when he could have used those $$$$$$$ for a #1 d man ie Pierangelo and a top goalie available at the time.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by bluejays

It's a results based org, so it's a fair critique that it didn't work out, but how many people have locked up 4 key core pieces and have all them under 25? Dubas' goaltenders turned out really good when he brought them from nowhere. Not one year did his goaltenders let him down where you attribute the loss to them. Did they steal a series, no...but can you rely on that? I think he's set the team up for success continually. There isn't a better GM out there IMO.

Regular season success, yes, playoff success, no!

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Imagine the reaction in Toronto if they were to hire Tre

Just lost Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and coming off of a disaster of a season

Gave Florida their top line, and Florida handily dispatched the Leafs

Leafs nation would absolutely explode

(Imagine when he brings in Sutter to get them over the hump!)

they would be fine with it. I don't think anyone outside of some Flames fan blames for American players leaving Calgary.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Besides the obvious eye roll of this statement, you don't want me GM'ing the Maple Leafs, I'm too skilled at NHL23 to make them a bottom feeder willingly.

The guy was a stickboy for his local junior team. He went to a random Canadian university. He didn't play high level hockey or anything. Its an impressive story - no matter what you think of him as a GM.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

they would be fine with it. I don't think anyone outside of some Flames fan blames for American players leaving Calgary.

Outside of rivals every fan thinks other teams make good moves. Look at how our fan base here idolized Jarmo K, and where has he gotten his team?

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I didn't expect this type of press conference. Dubas pulled a millennial card and tried fastracking his career by putting the screws to Shanahan. It really puts the guy in a different light.

Ok boomer

[Ped]

Some people think Shanahan looks bad here:

Leafs fans know the feeling I mean. It’s that sense that this team doesn’t know what it’s doing. That they’re a never-ending source of drama and not the good kind. That they’re a sideshow. That nobody in charge has a firm hand on the wheel, or any kind of real plan.

And then he started talking. And things got strange.
As Shanahan laid out the timeline that led us here, it became clear that this wasn’t a typical case of a GM failing to meet expectations or even of a team simply deciding it was time for a fresh set of eyes. Instead, it was a twisting saga of decisions being made, and then unmade. Shanahan had seen enough by the trade deadline and wanted Dubas back. After some consideration, Dubas decided he wanted to stay, and his agent got involved. Offers were made. The playoffs came and went, and the disappointment in how they ended didn’t change the plan.
Then came Monday’s media day, and apparently Dubas said something that gave Shanahan second thoughts. His comments about the toll the job had taken on his family felt raw and honest, at least to these ears. To Shanahan’s telling, they sounded like someone having doubts about whether he wanted the job. There were more discussions, maybe more offers being proposed back and forth. Eventually, Dubas made his position clear: He wanted to continue. He was in.
That’s when Shanahan decided, no you’re not.

From The Athletic

[MrMike]

It’s also possible that what Dubas wanted to do didn’t line up with Shanahan ala what’s been going on here with Treliving and ownership.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

they would be fine with it. I don't think anyone outside of some Flames fan blames for American players leaving Calgary.

You honestly don’t think the people who eat, breathe and sleep Leafs news, and over analyze and overdramatize everything, would find any fault with Tre? Coming off of a really disappointing finish?

Interesting

[SuperMatt18]

This is my take on it.

I'm not sure Shanahan wanted Dubas back...I think the MLSE board wanted him back and not Shanahan. There were rumors Shanahan and Dubas didn't see eye to eye on personnel decisions always, and that would be confirmed by Dubas ask for autonomy.

So then the public comments by Dubas about his family, and the high ask for salary and other perks opened up the window for Shanahan to make this move to oust Dubas.

Now that is all just pure random speculation in my head...but that's kind of what it feels like to me.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Scooter

QUOTE=Winsor_Pilates;8715363
What's the summary on Dubas?

Aside from the Leafs playoff fails, how has his trades/contracts/drafting been?

I don't follow the Leafs close enough to really have an opinion on him.QUOTE Well you can start with the $11.5 m contract he gave Tavares when he could have used those $$$$$$$ for a #1 d man ie Pierangelo and a top goalie available at the time.

You'd think someone in the media would be an expert at quotes.

[albertGQ]

Wow. Jason Spezza resigns too. I wonder if it was in support of Dubas

[Toonage]

You can't fire me, I quit

[Ashasx]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659607176187355136

I would guess this is Treliving's job to lose.