[Barn Burner] Boomer: "You were wrong"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

But bitching, whining and complaining is part of the fun (what fun there is right now) The problem is that we aren't a fun team to watch right now. The games are boring, the players are boring and maybe some people are just starting to realize what the flames are. A system built on mediocrity; with accedntal waves of flukish win streaks and coincidences.

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It’s neither fun to do, or to hear, for me. I’m happy talking about the team, what it can do to be better, what it’s good at. But complaining and whining? Nah. It doesn’t make any difference to the result and just brings things down.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I haven’t experienced a real scorched earth tank in my entire time as a fan. I’m ready now, because feeling something, anything is much better than what I feel right now, which is a giant void.

Don’t kid yourself. A scorched earth rebuild is unlikely to fill that ‘void’ you’re feeling. If it does, I doubt that satisfaction lasts for long.

Make no mistake, if the Flames were to rebuild it’s likely the same group of fans clamouring loudly for it will be incessantly complaining about who they picked in the draft or how certain players were developed or who they hired as a coach etc etc…they would also complain loudly if the Flames weren’t cup contenders within three-four years.

It’s easy to take this stance. I’m not suggesting the Flames should be saved from criticism, but it’s foolish to expect them to do something, scrotched earth rebuild, when they have never done that, ever, in their history.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think you kind of evaded my point about competition.

Go back to the original point that started this discussion. One poster arguing Flames are doing as well as the Avs. Next poster suggests Flames have been far healthier than the Avs. Then original poster trots out OK.

If you want to compare Flames to the Avalanche and not acknowledge the difference in injuries they have faced then you’re not living in reality IMO.

I’m not assuming OK is in the top 4 on this team. Weegar sure as hell wasn’t signed to be a 5/6. So while unfortunate, I just don’t consider that a “significant injury” and little to do with how the arson has gone.

It's a significant loss...have you seen the 3rd pair?

And no I didn't say the Flames were the same as the Avs..I said if a team like the Avs can struggle we shouldn't expect the Flames to be immune

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know. I don't find bitching, whining and complaining to be fun at all.
But each fan has the right to enjoy the game in whatever manner they want.
Just not the way I roll.
If I felt that way constantly I would probably choose to spend my time doing something else.

When I don't like a TV show I stop watching it. I don't keep watching it to enjoy complaining about it. Well except for TWD but I hated myself for that.

Again I don't think people are naïve to what this franchise is. It is one of the worst performing franchises of the last 3 decades from a results POV. We all know that. But the great thing about sports is you always have hope for next season.
At least if one chooses to look at it that way. If you choose to focus more on the past failures, I don't see how that is much fun.

This is me as well. There seems to be this feeling from negative people that positive people are condescending or something, but I just truly do not understand why someone would spend time on something they don’t enjoy. Hockey is obviously some sort of cathartic therapy for people where they can funnel all their life frustrations into complaining about a sports team, but I just enjoy watching hockey. Sucks that the Flames aren’t the best example of the product this year, but it’s still hockey, there’s always something to enjoy.

It’s cool if people want to hate on everything. It’s why I rarely enter PGT, especially after a loss. But I’ve answered what I thought was an honest question about how you can be positive while watching the Flames, and the person turned around and criticized me for being positive.

End of the day it’s just hockey. It’s for fun. Taking it too seriously (especially taking conversations about hockey too seriously) doesn’t seem fun to me. It doesn’t seem like people who hate on everything Flames are having fun, but if it is, go wild.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's a significant loss...have you seen the 3rd pair?

And no I didn't say the Flames were the same as the Avs..I said if a team like the Avs can struggle we shouldn't expect the Flames to be immune

If you want to use the Avs as a comparison, seems like you should be willing to discuss the reasons behind each team's struggles.

You say an injury to the 5th defenseman is bad luck and a significant loss.

I see it as an ordinary part of an NHL season and a test of the organization's depth. Which has been very disappointing.

My guess is that of the 53 games played thus far, the Flames have iced more of their "expected" starters in the majority of those games compared to their competition, so I have a hard time pointing to injuries as an an explanation for their results. That's not saying they have been perfectly healthy.

Today though, the Sabres have Thompson and Cozens back so they seem to be the healthier team. Hopefully there will be no need to look for excuses after this one.

[dino7c]

5 is debatable...Flames also play everyone, if the third pair was rolling they would be getting fairly even ice time. I mean he played with Tanev they weren't a normal "3rd pair" guys got more ice time because they killed penalties.

I was responding to "no significant injuries" I disagree

You are acting like I said they had the same injuries as the Avs but I didn't say that one time.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Don’t kid yourself. A scorched earth rebuild is unlikely to fill that ‘void’ you’re feeling. If it does, I doubt that satisfaction lasts for long.

“Unlikely” is still a better than zero chance, which is what the current state promises for the next 5+ years. I’m looking at my season ticket share like, what the hell is my thousands of dollars buying from now till the end of the decade? I’d rather spend that on hope than apathy which is where it’s going right now.

I know the Flames will never do it with current ownership, but screw it, I want to see a McDavid / MacKinnon / Matthews in Flames colours before I shuffle from this mortal coil.

[Ashasx]

How does ownership react if we continue this trajectory into next year and the Flames continue to spin their wheels under the same strategy? And ticket sales start to drop, and retail sales start to drop?

Do we see a fundamental realization that what they are doing is not a plan for long term success?

Or do we see some sort of panic trade, hiring, or firing to try to do anything to win short-term and try to regain fan interest?

[Jason14h]

Ticket sales have already fallen , and interest in tickets has been falling for years .

Last year was a slight excitement boost and it was still hard to give tickets away

[Stuntman Mike]

I liked when they brought Darryl in, it seemed like the right move at the time and appeared to pay off last year. But for all credit he received for last years success, the current state of this team is his responsibility.

Is Sutter capable of adapting his systems and approach to better suit the team he is currently coaching?

I do really wonder how much Sutter played into Johnny and Chucky’s decisions to not want to remain with the Flames?

[Strange Brew]

I have to believe the Flames long range plans are all centered around a new arena. Short term fan interest is maybe not all that important to them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I have to believe the Flames long range plans are all centered around a new arena. Short term fan interest is maybe not all that important to them.

If true it’s a perfect time to rebuild to have a good team in place for a new arena
And yet

[Naitix]

Were Flames even that good last year? Outside of the first line, none of the lines really did that much. I think last year could have been as disastrous as this year but Lindholm line decided to be the best line in the league and carried the team.

Like I do not think this vs last year is much different for 90% of the players, it's just that last year we got carried by Lindholm line

[Jason14h]

Markstrum also had 10? Shutouts in the first half of the season

Then I don’t think he had another . That means over the course of a season from mid last year I don’t know if he has a shutout

[Ashasx]

I still think Flames pro scouts should have known that Huberdeau was overrated. There were a lot of articles around this time last year about why Huberdeau should not have been in the Hart conversation (Panthers had a better xGF% when Huberdeau was not in the ice).

Round peg and square hole but I blame that one on scouting and ultimately management.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If true it’s a perfect time to rebuild to have a good team in place for a new arena
And yet

If a deal gets announced in the next 2-3 months and they manage to break ground this year - we’re looking at what? 3-4 years of construction?

Earliest season for the Flames to move in then becomes 26/27 but more likely 27/28?

Yeah, we really should rebuild now. No way a team built on a 37 year old Kadri, and a 34 year old Huberdeau is going to be able to justify the price hike we’ll get hit with.

The team really should cash in on the expiring deals next season. Hanifin, Tanev, Lindholm, Backlund would be such a good way to kick one off.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I still think Flames pro scouts should have known that Huberdeau was overrated. There were a lot of articles around this time last year about why Huberdeau should not have been in the Hart conversation (Panthers had a better xGF% when Huberdeau was not in the ice).

Round peg and square hole but I blame that one on scouting and ultimately management.

Don’t we only have one professional scout? Steve Pleau is the only one listed…granted we have like 5 Assistant General Managers.

[DylanScores]

Originally Posted by Stuntman Mike

I liked when they brought Darryl in, it seemed like the right move at the time and appeared to pay off last year. But for all credit he received for last years success, the current state of this team is his responsibility.

Is Sutter capable of adapting his systems and approach to better suit the team he is currently coaching?

I do really wonder how much Sutter played into Johnny and Chucky’s decisions to not want to remain with the Flames?

Sitter hockey is bland unfortunately. He was great last year but unfortunately is not adapting and utilizing the skills of the players on his roster.
I remember Matthew mentioning to the media how "refreshing it is to play for a coach who lets you be creative do your thing and support you" on his first game against us. He was asked how does it like playing for Paul Maurice,

I just don't think Sutter is the right coach for this team. I wonder how this team would be like under Trotz, Boudrea or quennyville?

[OldDutch]

Wasted away again in Quennyville
Searchin' for my lost offensive production
Some people claim that there's a Gaudreau to blame
But I know it's not Sutter’s fault

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I haven’t experienced a real scorched earth tank in my entire time as a fan. I’m ready now, because feeling something, anything is much better than what I feel right now, which is a giant void.

Oh this is just so much bull#### unless you're 10 years old or younger. Remember the year after Iginla was traded away? Wanna check out that roster again?

Cammalleri-Monahan (rookie season)-Hudler
Stempniak-Backlund-Glencross
Colborne-Stajan-D. Jones
Galiardi-Bouma-McGrattan
Byron/Westgarth

Giordano-Brodie (the team's only saving grace was a legitimate top pair)
Russell-Wideman
Butler-Smid
O'Brien

Ramo/Berra

The leading scorer on that team had 54 points in 75 games (Hudler)
We played a ton of AHLers and prospects looking for something to be excited about in the rebuild. Here's a list of guys who got opportunities (more than 5 games):

Sven Baertschi
Markus Granlund
Blair Jones
Tyler Wotherspoon
Chad Billins
Kenny Agostino
Ben Hanowski
Chris Breen
Corban Knight
Tim Jackman
Ben Street
Bryce VanBrabant
Max Reinhart
Joni Ortio
Joey MacDonald


Don't tell me we haven't tried a scorched earth rebuild. We did it within the last 10 years. It was ugly. I have no appetite to do that again when we have the talent we currently do with some very prime years left.