[Barn Burner] Boomer: "You were wrong"

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kylington was a staple in the top 4. But it doesn’t appear that dino is comparing the one injury to Colorado, just saying the injury hurt us. What is amazing about it?

Kylington was 5th in total minutes last year and would be 5 or 6 on the depth chart this year. Yes not having him is a loss, zero debate, but it’s a competitive league and the only thing that matters is how you fare compared to your competition.

The point is whether the Flames performance YTD can be explained by injuries. IMO it can not and trotting out Kylington is kind of weak sauce.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Kylington was 5th in total minutes last year and would be 5 or 6 on the depth chart this year. Yes not having him is a loss, zero debate, but it’s a competitive league and the only thing that matters is how you fare compared to your competition.

The point is whether the Flames performance YTD can be explained by injuries. IMO it can not and trotting out Kylington is kind of weak sauce.

He was 4th in TOI at even strength and 3rd on the PP. He played less games than most of the other guys, so when you look at TOI/GP he was 4th.

There is little doubt that he has been the best fit with Tanev, who would not be getting 5/6 minutes even strength, so I think he’d probably maintain his spot in the top 4.

Is anyone trying to explain away all of the Flames problems with injuries? I don’t think so. Not what I’m seeing at least.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He was 4th in TOI at even strength and 3rd on the PP. He played less games than most of the other guys, so when you look at TOI/GP he was 4th.

There is little doubt that he has been the best fit with Tanev, who would not be getting 5/6 minutes even strength, so I think he’d probably maintain his spot in the top 4.

Is anyone trying to explain away all of the Flames problems with injuries? I don’t think so. Not what I’m seeing at least.

Not to mention that was the first year that Kylington broke out, so he was likley to take another step this season. It sure seemed like it anyways.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I listened to 40 minutes of this and didn't hear one insightful thing. I don't get what's so great about this clip TBH. They can swear now. Yay.

Warrener calling the 2004 run lucky was kind of interesting.

I thought that part was very interesting, even insightful.

https://youtu.be/ENjjRTiX5I4?t=1800

[Boreal]

Dumb, lazy, easy, chickenhawk take.

Rhett?!? Really?!? The assemblage of intelligence that moved his kids to travel hockey in Buffalo because he obviously believes it’s a better development environment than Calgary?

Rhett’s biggest asset is his liability.

He’s smart enough to know that he’s dumb. But still dumb.

At the end of the day, it is a business, & different in Calgary than other similar Cities in Canada.

It isn’t an accident that Murray Edwards also owns Resorts of the Canadian Rockies. If the Flames suck more people will use their “time” & “energy” not money to go skiing instead of attend hockey games.

This doesn’t happen in other similar Canadian markets (Edmonton/Winnipeg).

There is nothing else to do in the proximity of the City (& Marmot Mountain isn’t in proximity of Edmonton) so it’s a captured audience.

The Flames don’t have a captured audience, but Murray does.

The mushy middle that sells both winning & hope is optimal for him.

If the Barn Burner Boys had brains or balls they would discuss this.

They don’t.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Was he talking about the last 20 years or as a franchise in general?

Flames as a whole have hired a few first time head coaches.

Bob Johnson
Terry Crisp
Dave King
Greg Gilbert
Jim Playfair
Geoff Ward

Gulutzan

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He was 4th in TOI at even strength and 3rd on the PP. He played less games than most of the other guys, so when you look at TOI/GP he was 4th.

There is little doubt that he has been the best fit with Tanev, who would not be getting 5/6 minutes even strength, so I think he’d probably maintain his spot in the top 4.

Is anyone trying to explain away all of the Flames problems with injuries? I don’t think so. Not what I’m seeing at least.

I think you kind of evaded my point about competition.

Go back to the original point that started this discussion. One poster arguing Flames are doing as well as the Avs. Next poster suggests Flames have been far healthier than the Avs. Then original poster trots out OK.

If you want to compare Flames to the Avalanche and not acknowledge the difference in injuries they have faced then you’re not living in reality IMO.

I’m not assuming OK is in the top 4 on this team. Weegar sure as hell wasn’t signed to be a 5/6. So while unfortunate, I just don’t consider that a “significant injury” and little to do with how the arson has gone.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Gulutzan

He’d been a head coach before, in Dallas. It was pretty brief so I bet they forgot and included him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I said it in another thread about their commentary, what took so long? They are speaking of the obvious. The only ones this will upset is the superfan and the fancy stats crowds. The problems with this team have been obvious for a long time. Even with last year's success, Sutter was mistake and Treliving is a middling manager. The future is a mess because of the mantra of just make the playoffs and maybe catch lightning in a bottle, a la 2004. That is the Sutter mentality in a nutshell and why he's a perfect fit for this team.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think you kind of evaded my point about competition.

Go back to the original point that started this discussion. One poster arguing Flames are doing as well as the Avs. Next poster suggests Flames have been far healthier than the Avs. Then original poster trots out OK.

If you want to compare Flames to the Avalanche and not acknowledge the difference in injuries they have faced then you’re not living in reality IMO.

I’m not assuming OK is in the top 4 on this team. Weegar sure as hell wasn’t signed to be a 5/6. So while unfortunate, I just don’t consider that a “significant injury” and little to do with how the arson has gone.

Again, I don’t think he was trying to equate what the Flames have gone through with what the Ava have gone through, just responding to the comment that the Flames were without any significant injuries. If you don’t think missing OK is significant, that’s fine, we can agree to disagree as I agree with dino in that it seems significant to me.

I took the general comment about the Avs to be more of an “anything can happen” kind of thing, not a “we’re as good as he Stanley Cup winners by any measure” kind of thing.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I said it in another thread about their commentary, what took so long? They are speaking of the obvious. The only ones this will upset is the superfan and the fancy stats crowds. The problems with this team have been obvious for a long time. Even with last year's success, Sutter was mistake and Treliving is a middling manager. The future is a mess because of the mantra of just make the playoffs and maybe catch lightning in a bottle, a la 2004. That is the Sutter mentality in a nutshell and why he's a perfect fit for this team.

I think you can safely say that is a Flames mentality, not just a Sutter mentality.

Rhett is bang on - this organization hasn’t built ####. They’ve been a garbage organization for 30+ years.

This organization takes its fans for granted, that’s for damn sure.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think you can safely say that is a Flames mentality, not just a Sutter mentality.

Rhett is bang on - this organization hasn’t built ####. They’ve been a garbage organization for 30+ years.

This organization takes its fans for granted, that’s for damn sure.

Yup, Toronto west.

What Rhett left out was despite having career years Johnny and Chucky left because playing for Sutter is a total drag. Fans who think otherwise are smoking too much legal canadian weed!

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Dumb, lazy, easy, chickenhawk take.

Rhett?!? Really?!? The assemblage of intelligence that moved his kids to travel hockey in Buffalo because he obviously believes it’s a better development environment than Calgary?

Rhett’s biggest asset is his liability.

He’s smart enough to know that he’s dumb. But still dumb.

At the end of the day, it is a business, & different in Calgary than other similar Cities in Canada.

It isn’t an accident that Murray Edwards also owns Resorts of the Canadian Rockies. If the Flames suck more people will use their “time” & “energy” not money to go skiing instead of attend hockey games.

This doesn’t happen in other similar Canadian markets (Edmonton/Winnipeg).

There is nothing else to do in the proximity of the City (& Marmot Mountain isn’t in proximity of Edmonton) so it’s a captured audience.

The Flames don’t have a captured audience, but Murray does.

The mushy middle that sells both winning & hope is optimal for him.

If the Barn Burner Boys had brains or balls they would discuss this.

They don’t.

Did you just say that Edwards wants the team to be just ok so more people go skiing at his resorts?

And they are the dumb ones…..

[Burning Beard]

So many Flames fans have a victim complex.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I would argue Flames fans, especially the "super fans", are way too accepting of mediocrity. Too many Flames fans just happy with their participation ribbon and laugh at those who actually try to achieve success and then ultimately attack them for that very success. See the comments about any team that beats the Flames or wins a championship.

If Flames fans are suffering from a collective disorder, I think it would be a dissociative disorder like dissociative amnesia or possibly a depersonalization/derealization disorder. There are definitely some that are suffering from detachment from reality caused by the stress of watching the same trainwreck over and over and over again, for most of 40 years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't think it's accepting of mediocrity, it's just not letting it ruin enjoying the game or following the team. There's nothing we can do about the decisions the team makes. You can choose to continue to follow and have fun, or not. I find it puzzling the people that seem to wallow in negativity and look down on those that try to still have a positive view.

I find the phrase "accepting of mediocrity" to be funny.
What exactly do you think fans should do instead?

Being a fan of a sports team is fun.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I would argue Flames fans, especially the "super fans", are way too accepting of mediocrity. Too many Flames fans just happy with their participation ribbon and laugh at those who actually try to achieve success and then ultimately attack them for that very success. See the comments about any team that beats the Flames or wins a championship.

If Flames fans are suffering from a collective disorder, I think it would be a dissociative disorder like dissociative amnesia or possibly a depersonalization/derealization disorder. There are definitely some that are suffering from detachment from reality caused by the stress of watching the same trainwreck over and over and over again, for most of 40 years.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think it's accepting of mediocrity, it's just not letting it ruin enjoying the game or following the team. There's nothing we can do about the decisions the team makes. You can choose to continue to follow and have fun, or not. I find it puzzling the people that seem to wallow in negativity and look down on those that try to still have a positive view.

I find the phrase "accepting of mediocrity" to be funny.
What exactly do you think fans should do instead?

Being a fan of a sports team is fun.

We've collectively discussed what the team should be doing for years - but after having another season play out so much like so many other years in recent memory, I found that this Barn Burner episode was a bit cathartic. It was a relief to see someone with a history with the organization and in the sport pipe up and ask "just what the hell is going on here?".

[Inglewood Jack]

I haven’t experienced a real scorched earth tank in my entire time as a fan. I’m ready now, because feeling something, anything is much better than what I feel right now, which is a giant void.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think it's accepting of mediocrity, it's just not letting it ruin enjoying the game or following the team. There's nothing we can do about the decisions the team makes. You can choose to continue to follow and have fun, or not. I find it puzzling the people that seem to wallow in negativity and look down on those that try to still have a positive view.

I find the phrase "accepting of mediocrity" to be funny.
What exactly do you think fans should do instead?

Being a fan of a sports team is fun.

But bitching, whining and complaining is part of the fun (what fun there is right now) The problem is that we aren't a fun team to watch right now. The games are boring, the players are boring and maybe some people are just starting to realize what the flames are. A system built on mediocrity; with accedntal waves of flukish win streaks and coincidences.

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[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't know. I don't find bitching, whining and complaining to be fun at all.
But each fan has the right to enjoy the game in whatever manner they want.
Just not the way I roll.
If I felt that way constantly I would probably choose to spend my time doing something else.

When I don't like a TV show I stop watching it. I don't keep watching it to enjoy complaining about it. Well except for TWD but I hated myself for that.

Again I don't think people are naïve to what this franchise is. It is one of the worst performing franchises of the last 3 decades from a results POV. We all know that. But the great thing about sports is you always have hope for next season.
At least if one chooses to look at it that way. If you choose to focus more on the past failures, I don't see how that is much fun.