[News] Flames put Kevin Rooney on waivers. UPD: clears

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You are an idiot.

Lighten up Francis.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Francis can be a dumbass but I think scumbag is a little harsh

No, I think it's justifiable that he is both

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You might not like Francis but there is no need to make light of his charity work. He does a lot for charity. I don’t know you but I can safely say he does far more for charity than you ever will .

I've considered your comments and respectfully disagree.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You might not like Francis but there is no need to make light of his charity work. He does a lot for charity. I don’t know you but I can safely say he does far more for charity than you ever will .

Me specifically? No. But probably the vast majority of Calgarypuck yes. Recently I've been guiding CaptainYooh on how to be a better person and give back more, I'd love to talk with you about it if you have an opportunity

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What about a trade of Rooney for Kravtsov. Flames save a little cap, get a player with some upside.

I highly doubt Roonie is getting Kravtsov even with a 2nd rounder attached.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And he will score a goal resulting in a CP.meltdown of how dumb the Flames are

Surely you have seen Rooney play? He's not a regular NHL player. Very unlikely he scores a goal on any NHL roster but he could have a five goal game for all I care if another team took him off the Flames hands.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

A decade?

All three of those players, plus Kylington and Mangiapane were on the 2017-18 Stockton Heat, a year the Flames missed the playoffs by a hefty margin and also had some major injuries down the stretch. Was much of the current regime (Treliving, Pascal, Conroy, Huska) not in the organization when it was time to literally not be the only team to give three first rounders some NHL games?

The 2013 draft is not far removed from the 2015 or 2016 drafts. The only difference is that the book is written on the players from that draft. Klimchuk and Poirier have retired from hockey and Shinkaruk/Foo went to the KHL.

It's not as if the Flames are not the only team to not have a single callup since the 2018 draft either.

You can call it cherry-picking, but I think there's still very much a divide between how the Flames are run and how the vast majority of the NHL calls players up. That we have superior amateur scouting finding diamonds in the rough is mutually exclusive to that fact.


No other team would have handled Oliver Kylington the way the Flames did. And I see no reason to optimistically expect Matthew Phillips will get a fair chance even with a callup.

Sorry I don't see it.

And your example doesn't work. They have to go on and establish themselves somewhere else for your point to be made. None of them did.

Unless you're suggesting they were damaged emotionally by this abuse the Flames laid out and couldn't recover.

Kylington wasn't much different in path that either of Sandin and Lilijegren in Toronto. Lilijegren played parts of 5 years in the AHL and was a 1st round pick, not a late 2nd.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'll keep personal stories out of it since the mods will delete them, even when it later turns out I was right (Evander Kane, for example)

But remember the time he called Brodie weak for opting out of the World Championships to be with his wife that was just diagnosed with MS?

Or the time Sportsnet had to pull down an interview with him after the Bill Peters incident because he rolled his eyes and used air quotes when referring to Aliu as a "Victim"

Gee I talked to Francis a couple of times and he seemed like a perfectly normal person.

[Aarongavey]

Tough news for the Wranglers. They lose a great player in Phillips and get a player who is not only not great, it is unlikely he will even be a good AHLer in Rooney.

[Canada 02]

Last season top scorers in the AHL or the Heat were names like Stefan Noesen, Josh Leivo, Andy Poturalski, Glenn Gawdin, Byron Froese and Justin Kirkland.

If Rooney is there for an extended time, I would not be surprised if he puts up big numbers and dominates at that level

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Tough news for the Wranglers. They lose a great player in Phillips and get a player who is not only not great, it is unlikely he will even be a good AHLer in Rooney.

It's an opportunity for more ice time for other prospects.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Surely you have seen Rooney play? He's not a regular NHL player. Very unlikely he scores a goal on any NHL roster but he could have a five goal game for all I care if another team took him off the Flames hands.

People in the last week have complained about losing Lomberg and Hathaway...with 2 goals between

it was obviously a bit sarcastic

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

A decade?

All three of those players, plus Kylington and Mangiapane were on the 2017-18 Stockton Heat, a year the Flames missed the playoffs by a hefty margin and also had some major injuries down the stretch. Was much of the current regime (Treliving, Pascal, Conroy, Huska) not in the organization when it was time to literally not be the only team to give three first rounders some NHL games?

The 2013 draft is not far removed from the 2015 or 2016 drafts. The only difference is that the book is written on the players from that draft. Klimchuk and Poirier have retired from hockey and Shinkaruk/Foo went to the KHL.

It's not as if the Flames are not the only team to not have a single callup since the 2018 draft either.

You can call it cherry-picking, but I think there's still very much a divide between how the Flames are run and how the vast majority of the NHL calls players up. That we have superior amateur scouting finding diamonds in the rough is mutually exclusive to that fact.


No other team would have handled Oliver Kylington the way the Flames did. And I see no reason to optimistically expect Matthew Phillips will get a fair chance even with a callup.

Go cheer for another team. You are so done with this team you're looking hard for reasons to be mad at it. You need a fresh start with a new team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

...No other team would have handled Oliver Kylington the way the Flames did.

Well, I think this is bull####. It's just rhetoric based on your demonstrable bias against this management group, and fuelled by your very, very weird understanding of the game.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who's responsible for pro scouting depth players? Last season they wasted a 4th round pick for 25 games of Pitlick and this offseason they give this guy a 2 year, $2.6 million contract despite poor advanced stats. Self inflicted wounds.

All of this. Gah. Like many, mind-boggling move when it happened. Was hoping to be proved wrong by Tre et al, but this was the expected outcome I had.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People in the last week have complained about losing Lomberg and Hathaway...with 2 goals between

it was obviously a bit sarcastic

Were people complaining? I recall a poster saying he missed Hathaway.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Were people complaining? I recall a poster saying he missed Hathaway.

Hate 5 goal Ritchie and 4 goal Lewis....2 goal Hathaway is the one that got away

He was on the list of guys that got away (all with less goals than Lewis and Ritchie)

It's a joke guy

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Lots of scumbags do a lot of charity work, they're still scumbags

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Working around the PR side of things, I think people would be surprised how many individuals and businesses large and small engage in charity for fairly selfish reasons. Yes, at the end of the day charities are getting some help and that’s a good thing, but I’ve seen more examples than I’d like of the priority being “how does this make me or the business look/how do we maximize positive exposure for us with minimal investment on our part/etc.”

It’s not everyone. It’s not even the majority. But it’s enough that being involved with charity does not automatically make one a good or admirable person.

Not saying Francis is or isn’t that.

Paul's Pizza in Airdrie immediately springs to mind. I'm not sure if the groups and organizations that work with him are ignorant of how vile a person he is, or if they just don't care. The guy is a massive, arrogant prick but buys some measure of good will by constantly bragging about his contributions to the community.

It's bizarre.

[Roger]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Paul's Pizza in Airdrie immediately springs to mind. I'm not sure if the groups and organizations that work with him are ignorant of how vile a person he is, or if they just don't care. The guy is a massive, arrogant prick but buys some measure of good will by constantly bragging about his contributions to the community.

It's bizarre.

Huh. I actually drive to Airdrie for Paul's Pizza semi regularly. Don't ruin Paul's Pizza for me!

[Bingo]

This is like that Friends episode where Joey suggests to Phoebe that there is no such thing as a selfless act.

Rachel: Maybe Joey's right. Maybe all good deeds are selfish.
Phoebe: I will find a selfless good deed. 'Cause I just gave birth to three children and I will not let them be raised in a world where Joey is right.

Phoebe: [on phone] I have found a selfless good deed. I went to the park and let a bee sting me.
Joey Tribbiani: How is that a selfless good deed?
Phoebe: It makes the bee look tough in front of his bee friends. The bee's happy and I am definitely not.
Joey Tribbiani: Uh, Pheebs, you know the bee probably died after it stung you?
Phoebe: [stares blankly] ...Dammit.