[News] Flames put Kevin Rooney on waivers. UPD: clears

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You might not like Francis but there is no need to make light of his charity work. He does a lot for charity. I don’t know you but I can safely say he does far more for charity than you ever will .

He should stick to that, then.

[dino7c]

doubt he is claimed but I can see a trade for a similar player

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You might not like Francis but there is no need to make light of his charity work. He does a lot for charity. I don’t know you but I can safely say he does far more for charity than you ever will .

Lots of scumbags do a lot of charity work, they're still scumbags

[dino7c]

Francis can be a dumbass but I think scumbag is a little harsh

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Lots of scumbags do a lot of charity work, they're still scumbags

From everything I have heard about him "off screen" Francis is a real stand-up guy.

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Francis can be a dumbass but I think scumbag is a little harsh

Yeah really, lol.

The worst thing he does, as far as I am aware of, is be critical of the Flames from time to time. And piss off Darryl Sutter in scrums, which is actual not hard to do for anyone.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Francis can be a dumbass but I think scumbag is a little harsh

Well if you'd had the first hand experiences with him that I have, you probably change that tune. Scumbag is accurate

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

almost like it all comes down to a matter of opinion

no one will be a saint to every one, just as no one will come off as a jerk to every one

sometimes it depends on the day and when you happen to bump into that guy or gal

but maybe .. just maybe, our basis upon which we evaluate others is flawed and sometimes is founded entirely upon a very small and misleading sample size

all I know is those that turn contrarian articles and a sometimes over-bearing delivery style into "this person is scum" feels like a cliff to cliff leap and unless Eric keyed your car or bad mouthed your family off screen, there isn't much basis for the "scum"

humans are alarmingly reliant on irrational and ill informed reasoning when drawing conclusions though

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by SebC

Weird timing. We're on a three-game win streak. Ruzicka effect?

The timing coincides with the 4th line being really really bad lately.

[kyuss275]

MOD EDIT: No insults please.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Lots of scumbags do a lot of charity work, they're still scumbags

I can confirm, lots of that in this area. Mainly, it's people with money who show up and donate a big cheque. They are far from warm and friendly people who truly care about the cause. It's mainly to be seen and to get a nice dinner.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Well if you'd had the first hand experiences with him that I have, you probably change that tune. Scumbag is accurate

Go on.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You are an idiot.

He’s actually a pretty intelligent and fair poster.

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I can confirm, lots of that in this area. Mainly, it's people with money who show up and donate a big cheque. They are far from warm and friendly people who truly care about the cause. It's mainly to be seen and to get a nice dinner.

Working around the PR side of things, I think people would be surprised how many individuals and businesses large and small engage in charity for fairly selfish reasons. Yes, at the end of the day charities are getting some help and that’s a good thing, but I’ve seen more examples than I’d like of the priority being “how does this make me or the business look/how do we maximize positive exposure for us with minimal investment on our part/etc.”

It’s not everyone. It’s not even the majority. But it’s enough that being involved with charity does not automatically make one a good or admirable person.

Not saying Francis is or isn’t that.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by chummer

Go on.

I'll keep personal stories out of it since the mods will delete them, even when it later turns out I was right (Evander Kane, for example)

But remember the time he called Brodie weak for opting out of the World Championships to be with his wife that was just diagnosed with MS?

Or the time Sportsnet had to pull down an interview with him after the Bill Peters incident because he rolled his eyes and used air quotes when referring to Aliu as a "Victim"

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, they are. Kylington last year; Ruzicka this year; now Phillips on the roster.

This narrative about the Flames just burying their prospects and never giving them any opportunities to play or succeed is utter nonsense.


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It is not nonsense. In the entire first round of the 2013 draft, only three players have fewer than twenty NHL games played:

Hunter Shinkaruk (15 GP)
Emile Poirier (8)
Morgan Klimchuk (1)

Maybe none of those guys were ultimately NHLers, but is it a coincidence that they spent their early twenties in the Flames organization? It's not as if they were awful AHLers either. I'd bet any of those guys could have been as good as Kevin Rooney's NHL career if another team had their rights.

And Kylington? The guy the Flames scratched for 80% of the 2020-22 season for the likes of Nikita Nesterov? That is the DEFINITION of burying.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It is not nonsense. In the entire first round of the 2013 draft, only three players have fewer than twenty NHL games played:



Hunter Shinkaruk (15 GP)

Emile Poirier (8)

Morgan Klimchuk (1)



Maybe none of those guys were ultimately NHLers, but is it a coincidence that they spent their early twenties in the Flames organization? It's not as if they were awful AHLers either.

You had to dig all the way back a decade to cobble together your edifice of supporting evidence. This is very far from convincing.

I'll stick by the results of more recent history, thanks, when forming conclusions about the current regime.

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[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It is not nonsense. In the entire first round of the 2013 draft, only three players have fewer than twenty NHL games played:

Hunter Shinkaruk (15 GP)
Emile Poirier (8)
Morgan Klimchuk (1)

Side note, but that still makes me sad. Such a great guy from an amazing family, but even growing up he was always getting sick and hurt. Shame but not a surprise that he was always battling injuries in his pro career too. Sure hope he makes it as a coach though, I talked to his mom recently and he's really enjoying his time in Victoria so far

[Jiri Hrdina]

And if they were good then why did they not move on to establish themselves elsewhere.

Those aren't great examples to make whatever the point is supposed to be.

[Kasi]

Oh you mean being the only team to not graduate a player drafted after 2018? Seems the other 31 teams managed to figure out how to get their young players some playing time on the big club. Both going back and recent yes the Flames aren’t good at promoting. The only time it seemed to happen was under Peters. But I’m sure giving them fourth line time in the preseason with scrubs put them in a good situation to succeed.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You had to dig all the way back a decade to cobble together your edifice of supporting evidence. This is very far from convincing.

I'll stick by the results of more recent history, thanks, when forming conclusions about the current regime.

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A decade?

All three of those players, plus Kylington and Mangiapane were on the 2017-18 Stockton Heat, a year the Flames missed the playoffs by a hefty margin and also had some major injuries down the stretch. Was much of the current regime (Treliving, Pascal, Conroy, Huska) not in the organization when it was time to literally not be the only team to give three first rounders some NHL games?

The 2013 draft is not far removed from the 2015 or 2016 drafts. The only difference is that the book is written on the players from that draft. Klimchuk and Poirier have retired from hockey and Shinkaruk/Foo went to the KHL.

It's not as if the Flames are not the only team to not have a single callup since the 2018 draft either.

You can call it cherry-picking, but I think there's still very much a divide between how the Flames are run and how the vast majority of the NHL calls players up. That we have superior amateur scouting finding diamonds in the rough is mutually exclusive to that fact.


No other team would have handled Oliver Kylington the way the Flames did. And I see no reason to optimistically expect Matthew Phillips will get a fair chance even with a callup.