[News] With the 59th OA pick, the Flames select C Topi Rönni

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Still a misstep, I could care less what other teams do and who they pass on, Goyette has massive skill and skating ability, he was listed by a lot of scouts as a 1st rounder, like Point he played on a bad team but lead his team in pts by a lot.

Well it's VERY likely he won't be like Point so I wouldn't worry too much.

If lots of actual scouts had him as a first rounder he would have been one

[Fan69]

The hockey writers have a good write up on him. Keep saying his speed and size make him difficult for his peers to handle but not quite against men. Simple two way game, size and speed. They expect a regular nhl player ina couple of years. I like it.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well it's VERY likely he won't be like Point so I wouldn't worry too much.

If lots of actual scouts had him as a first rounder he would have been one

Team scouts make mistakes due to lack of watching players and NHL team scouts simply don't watch bad CHL teams enough, independent scouting services are more right then wrong.

Brayden Point went 79th but was ranked 31 by the CSS, ISS had him ranked 34.

David Goyette went 61st but CSS had him 13th, ISS had him 37th, Button had him 22nd and Mckenzie had him 45th.

Not one scout or scouting service had Topi Ronni going in the second round, I'm not saying he won't be a good player but fact is it was an off the board pick at 59.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Team scouts make mistakes due to lack of watching players and NHL team scouts simply don't watch bad CHL teams enough, independent scouting services are more right then wrong.

Without seeing all of the lists from every NHL team, I don't know how you can conclude that independent scouts are better at projecting players than NHL scouts.

Brayden Point went 79th but was ranked 31 by the CSS, ISS had him ranked 34.

David Goyette went 61st but CSS had him 13th, ISS had him 37th, Button had him 22nd and Mckenzie had him 45th.

So, it has happened a handful of times for players like Point, but how many times have these sorts of players been drafted late, and simply don't pan out? There is no guarantee at all that Goyette will even ever play a single game in the NHL.

Not one scout or scouting service had Topi Ronni going in the second round, I'm not saying he won't be a good player but fact is it was an off the board pick at 59.

Maybe we can call this "off the board," but sometimes these actually work out. I just don't think there is much to complain about here given that the Flames scouting staff has actually proven to be pretty good at handling the later rounds of the draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Pronman had him at 71, and the Athletic staff mock had him at 63. Not sure how off the board that is at that stage in the draft.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Team scouts make mistakes due to lack of watching players and NHL team scouts simply don't watch bad CHL teams enough, independent scouting services are more right then wrong.

Brayden Point went 79th but was ranked 31 by the CSS, ISS had him ranked 34.

David Goyette went 61st but CSS had him 13th, ISS had him 37th, Button had him 22nd and Mckenzie had him 45th.

Not one scout or scouting service had Topi Ronni going in the second round, I'm not saying he won't be a good player but fact is it was an off the board pick at 59.

FWIW, E-Mac at Upside Hockey had him 56th bit.ly/upside2022nhldraft

Chris Peters of Daily Faceoff had him 41st

Recrutes had him 57

Scouching.ca had him 62nd

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Team scouts make mistakes due to lack of watching players and NHL team scouts simply don't watch bad CHL teams enough, independent scouting services are more right then wrong.

Brayden Point went 79th but was ranked 31 by the CSS, ISS had him ranked 34.

David Goyette went 61st but CSS had him 13th, ISS had him 37th, Button had him 22nd and Mckenzie had him 45th.

Not one scout or scouting service had Topi Ronni going in the second round, I'm not saying he won't be a good player but fact is it was an off the board pick at 59.

For every point there are 200 2nd rounders that end up like 2nd rounders...it's highly unlikely your guy will be a top player like Point. If it was so obvious he would have been drafted higher.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

For every point there are 200 2nd rounders that end up like 2nd rounders...it's highly unlikely your guy will be a top player like Point. If it was so obvious he would have been drafted higher.

I mean ... there were a lot of people on the outside screaming at teams to take Point, DeBrincat, etc over the past few years. For some people, it was obvious ... sometimes, the NHL, as a whole, makes glaring mistakes. (That being said, sometimes the exact opposite is true).

Next one might be Stankoven.

[Sandman]

I think we're getting a Backlund/Danault type here, and there sure ain't nothing wrong with that, even if we spent a 2nd on him. Look what Danault meant to the Canadiens, and now what he means to the Kings. Totally indispensable. He might not be the next Brayden Point, but would anyone like a 6'2" Anthony Cirelli?

[Unknown]

Topi Rönni plays in FEL's best team Tappara, and it's going to be interesting to see, how next season is going to be for Topi. In fact, Tappara is one of two FEL-teams from Tampere (Ilves is another, the same team Juuso Välimäki played as a junior before going to Canada, and also a short period after his knee injury). Rönni, I think, has a possibility to play 3rd line center next season at Tappara. He's going to have many experienced mentors at that team: Kuusela, Savinainen, and Jori Lehterä, who you might remember of playing with Tarasenko in St. Louis. Tappara as a team is the reigning FEL-champion, and they're also going to be the biggest favourites next year. Tappara's game, structure and their head coach rely on defensive system, which I think is a good thing for Rönni's development. Biggest NHL-stars who have come to the NHL from Tappara are Alexander Barkov and Patrik Laine.

Realistic expectation for Rönni is to solidify his role with Tappara's FEL-team, but it's not going to be easy. Tappara's material is maybe the best of the whole league. If I look at the Finns drafted in the first round (Kemell and Lambert), both of those players played in much weaker clubs last season, and at those teams I think Rönni would have been able to play much more. So for the next season, Rönni has a huge challenge ahead of him, because it's the best team in FEL he's trying to solidify his spot. Knowing Tappara's style of game and reputition, I only think that this is a good place for him to spend the next 1-2 years. Comparisons to Backlund and Danault are fine, but ofc there's a long road ahead of Rönni. Rönni's fitness results don't surprise me at all (he has a backround in athletics and basketball) and he's also a smart kid at school. Let's hope for the best!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Unknown

Topi Rönni plays in FEL's best team Tappara, and it's going to be interesting to see, how next season is going to be for Topi. In fact, Tappara is one of two FEL-teams from Tampere (Ilves is another, the same team Juuso Välimäki played as a junior before going to Canada, and also a short period after his knee injury). Rönni, I think, has a possibility to play 3rd line center next season at Tappara. He's going to have many experienced mentors at that team: Kuusela, Savinainen, and Jori Lehterä, who you might remember of playing with Tarasenko in St. Louis. Tappara as a team is the reigning FEL-champion, and they're also going to be the biggest favourites next year. Tappara's game, structure and their head coach rely on defensive system, which I think is a good thing for Rönni's development. Biggest NHL-stars who have come to the NHL from Tappara are Alexander Barkov and Patrik Laine.

Realistic expectation for Rönni is to solidify his role with Tappara's FEL-team, but it's not going to be easy. Tappara's material is maybe the best of the whole league. If I look at the Finns drafted in the first round (Kemell and Lambert), both of those players played in much weaker clubs last season, and at those teams I think Rönni would have been able to play much more. So for the next season, Rönni has a huge challenge ahead of him, because it's the best team in FEL he's trying to solidify his spot. Knowing Tappara's style of game and reputition, I only think that this is a good place for him to spend the next 1-2 years. Comparisons to Backlund and Danault are fine, but ofc there's a long road ahead of Rönni. Rönni's fitness results don't surprise me at all (he has a backround in athletics and basketball) and he's also a smart kid at school. Let's hope for the best!

What a great writeup. Thanks.

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[sureLoss]

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

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Yeah, but he's in the "Challenger/2nd" lineup. I doubt he's going to get the spot at "this year's WJC-roster" (vast majority of the players of the original WJC-roster are going to attend there), but the next WJC is very possible.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by icarus

Sounds like Mikael Backlund upside, which would be great.

Backlund was a fairly high level offensive producer before making the jump to the NHL. This kid might have the makings of a good defensive center, but he's likely not going to be a guy that flirts with 40+ points and 20 goals a season in his career.

[Canada 02]

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[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Backlund was a fairly high level offensive producer before making the jump to the NHL. This kid might have the makings of a good defensive center, but he's likely not going to be a guy that flirts with 40+ points and 20 goals a season in his career.

Ryan O'Reilly didn't have a 20 goal season in Junior hockey. But he's had seven 20 goal seasons thus far in his NHL career. When it comes to prospects you just don't know exactly how things will turn out for them.

[Sandman]

Looks like he was tied for 5th in the tourney, and 2nd on Team Finland.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Ryan O'Reilly didn't have a 20 goal season in Junior hockey. But he's had seven 20 goal seasons thus far in his NHL career. When it comes to prospects you just don't know exactly how things will turn out for them.

O’Rielly is a very rare case.

Between 2000 and 2016 only 18 forwards drafted out of the first round have turned into stars (200 games + 0.7 PPG). 18 out of approximately 1,800 players drafted or 1%

Courtesy of Byron Bader

[sureLoss]

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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Ryan O'Reilly didn't have a 20 goal season in Junior hockey. But he's had seven 20 goal seasons thus far in his NHL career. When it comes to prospects you just don't know exactly how things will turn out for them.

We kinda know when the Flames pick someone from Europe leagues