[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames to add secondary scoring. Friedman: A lot of people think Toffoli

[I_H8_Crawford]

Is it time for the annual "Flames are in on Player x who will solve a huge need for the team"

.... trade deadline comes, Flames add 7/8 Dman and maybe a 14/15 forward.

YAY!!!!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So as a UFA the package that the Canucks sent to LA was Tim Schaller, a second-round pick and forward prospect Tyler Madden, plus a 4th because he re-signed with the Canucks.

So Dube, 2nd, and Peltier?

Figure it has to cost more since he has term.

No way. Pelletier is 1. one of the best prospects in the AHL, and 2. French.
If we trade pelletier to MTL it is for Toffoli 50% retained and some sort of pick. Even then it kinda stinks.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by activeStick

It's probably just me, but for some reason, my brain is unable to process this sentence... what are you hypothesizing here?

Well both Dvorak and Toffoli have some remaining term. And I struggle to see how they could both fit under the cap AND both Johnny and Tkachuk re-sign. So the move would be to both improve the team and change the forward group going forward to address the gaps that those players could leave.

So as an example
- Team acquires Dvorak and Toffoli
- Team feels confident they can re-sign Johnny
- Team feels less confident they can re-sign Tkachuk beyond his one year option


So they move Tkachuk in the off-season and going forward the new group is a re-signed Johnny+Dvorak+Toffoli perhaps also minus Monahan.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well both Dvorak and Toffoli have some remaining term. And I struggle to see how they could both fit under the cap AND both Johnny and Tkachuk re-sign. So the move would be to both improve the team and change the forward group going forward to address the gaps that those players could leave.

So as an example
- Team acquires Dvorak and Toffoli
- Team feels confident they can re-sign Johnny
- Team feels less confident they can re-sign Tkachuk beyond his one year option


So they move Tkachuk in the off-season and going forward the new group is a re-signed Johnny+Dvorak+Toffoli perhaps also minus Monahan.

1. I don't think there's a way/trade that makes sense where you can acquire both Toffoli and Dvorak in this season without shipping out a salary like Monahan. MAYBE, maybe Dube+ right at the trade deadline, but I'm thinking the +s would have to be interesting.
2. Dvorak+Toffoli is in no way comparable to either Tkachuk/johnny from a contribution to winning team perspective. That better not be the plan.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So, no credit to Treliving or... a bit, but really only for pulling the trigger?

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Even if he was, they still got done. The point stands.

Boy oh boy are we ever defensive here when it comes to the GM. My comment was more made to Jiri's comment of those moves being criticized in that anyone criticizing Treliving should realize Darryl was likely involved in the decision making.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. I don't think there's a way/trade that makes sense where you can acquire both Toffoli and Dvorak in this season without shipping out a salary like Monahan. MAYBE, maybe Dube+ right at the trade deadline, but I'm thinking the +s would have to be interesting.
2. Dvorak+Toffoli is in no way comparable to either Tkachuk/johnny from a contribution to winning team perspective. That better not be the plan.

On 1 - yes I agree I doubt they get both.
On 2 - It isn't ideal but it IS a way to deal with the fact you may not be able to sign both. You may not like it, but there's a reality that they may know they can't sign both. BT has to function in the real world.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Boy oh boy are we ever defensive here when it comes to the GM. My comment was more made to Jiri's comment of those moves being criticized in that anyone criticizing Treliving should realize Darryl was likely involved in the decision making.

Yeah I did not have a problem with your comment. I view it as a positive that the Gm and coach seem to be on the same page. If you are hiring the old farmer from Viking as a coach, you better deliver him a roster aligned to how he wants that team to play.
Where I disagree (and not with you) is those that have put forth this belief that the GM and coach are NOT on the same page. E.g. referencing some comments from Darryl that suggest he isn't happy with the roster.

[Knut]

Now I want Toffoli and I want him now. I also think someone with size but has more skill than Pitlick etc (like Zach Sanford) would be a good add. Pending UFA and has Stanley cup experience.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. I don't think there's a way/trade that makes sense where you can acquire both Toffoli and Dvorak in this season without shipping out a salary like Monahan. MAYBE, maybe Dube+ right at the trade deadline, but I'm thinking the +s would have to be interesting.
2. Dvorak+Toffoli is in no way comparable to either Tkachuk/johnny from a contribution to winning team perspective. That better not be the plan.

For #2 however, it would be Dvorak + Toffoli + whatever assets a Tkachuk trade returns.

But who are we kidding - Treliving never delivers at the TD, so I fully expect come that day we will be told prices were too high, they like the group as is, and Forbort will be a great depth Dman for a playoff run.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If they acquire both I think it's a sign that they don't think one of Johnny or Tkachuk won't be coming back.

When you add Mangiapane into the mix, I have a feeling that will be the case regardless. I think Treliving makes a deal to strengthen us now, and then deals a body at the draft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Toffoli is just perfect. Scoring RW, Sutter player.

Well, he’s a Sutter player in that he played for Sutter. His interviews about Sutter are a bit mixed. He certainly respects him and credits him for their success. But it’s also clear he didn’t think Sutter was fun to play for.

I know he won’t be happy to be traded from Montreal. He said he was “destined” to be a Hab.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah I did not have a problem with your comment. I view it as a positive that the Gm and coach seem to be on the same page. If you are hiring the old farmer from Viking as a coach, you better deliver him a roster aligned to how he wants that team to play.
Where I disagree (and not with you) is those that have put forth this belief that the GM and coach are NOT on the same page. E.g. referencing some comments from Darryl that suggest he isn't happy with the roster.

I suppose most coaches want a "better" roster and Darryl is no different.

But I'm not seeing guys that he truly wants off the team or is just totally unhappy with. Maybe Valimaki kind of fits there. But based on how he is using the top players, he seems happy enough with them.

Does Darryl think he can win a SC with this roster? I don't imagine that is something we will ever truly know and I wouldn't trust any answer he would give for public consumption. He didn't come back to lose, I'm quite certain of that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Safe to say Darryl was involved in those signings.

Absolutely.

However I've also seen "Treliving is the GM" arguments about the same players when they were signed.

The inconsistency isn't from you, but it's amazing how loose people can be with when to attribute credit or assign blame.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

LeBrun's article is up on the athletic:
https://theathletic.com/3120087/2022...rade-deadline/

Not much to add to the rumor/speculation he talked about on TSN. LeBrun indicated that reading between the lines, Treliving would prefer to complete a trade before March 21. Also added that he suspects Flames and Gaudreau camp will pick up contract talks again after the season ends.

What if Gaudreau decides to walk into free agency?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, he’s a Sutter player in that he played for Sutter. His interviews about Sutter are a bit mixed. He certainly respects him and credits him for their success. But it’s also clear he didn’t think Sutter was fun to play for.

I know he won’t be happy to be traded from Montreal. He said he was “destined” to be a Hab.

Sutter player as in he plays a style that suits Sutter teams

[genetic_phreek]

From this and other previous threads, I may be the only person that thinks getting Toffoli is a bad idea.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Indomitable

ok, so I'm the one that has to go through multiple volumes of CP texts because folks conveniently forgot? Burden of proof lies on those with long memories but is conveniently absent for people that choose to forget or do not have the mental capacity to remember? Is that literally what the world has come to? If I told you that the sky was blue due to a certain amount of chemicals which I cannot name specifically in this instance was a true statement would you also say that the proof is my burden? Give your head a shake. The internet is there for everyone. If you want to disprove me, go ahead and do so.

It's really quite simple. If you make a claim it's your responsibility to prove it. Why is that so hard for you to understand? "You look it up and prove me wrong" is the height of laziness.

This isn't something new, or novel.

Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

From this and other previous threads, I may be the only person that thinks getting Toffoli is a bad idea.

Adding another RHS one-timer to our top 6 ranks would be unreal. Toffoli shows up in big games. I remember him being absolutely dominant for the Canucks in his short stint. He was lights our for Montreal last season and playoffs and has the best point percentage and +/- on a terrible Habs team this year.

It would not only improve our 2nd line, but our 2nd PP unit too!

I think he fits this team like a glove, personally.
I would give up more to have retention of 30-50% too

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. I don't think there's a way/trade that makes sense where you can acquire both Toffoli and Dvorak in this season without shipping out a salary like Monahan. MAYBE, maybe Dube+ right at the trade deadline, but I'm thinking the +s would have to be interesting.
2. Dvorak+Toffoli is in no way comparable to either Tkachuk/johnny from a contribution to winning team perspective. That better not be the plan.

Yeah, that's the plan to be a lottery team next year.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

From this and other previous threads, I may be the only person that thinks getting Toffoli is a bad idea.

Genuine question: Why do you guys say that (you and the likes)?