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Old 07-13-2021, 11:01 PM   #121
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Perhaps Suter will end up in Vegas if they lose Martinez.
Could see this. I really don't believe Suter will sing with any Canadian team.
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The expansion draft is providing some good summer entertainment. Tying up ~15% of your cap in dead weight for three years just to save Dumba is hard to fathom. They couldn't work out some other deal to save him? I assume Bill Guerin asked Suter and Parise to waive and when they said no felt his hands were tied but there had to have been a better way out of this especially with Suter who is still a good defenceman. It's not like they are a young team with lots of value contracts except these two players (for example they still have 30+ year olds signed Zuccarrelo 6M Spurgeon 7.6M). If they do somehow manage to land Eichel they will be saddled with so much deadweight they won't be able to surround him with any talent or depth.

It is nice seeing some of these contracts coming back to haunt teams 10 years later.
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Old 07-13-2021, 11:39 PM   #123
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The expansion draft is providing some good summer entertainment. Tying up ~15% of your cap in dead weight for three years just to save Dumba is hard to fathom. They couldn't work out some other deal to save him? I assume Bill Guerin asked Suter and Parise to waive and when they said no felt his hands were tied but there had to have been a better way out of this especially with Suter who is still a good defenceman. It's not like they are a young team with lots of value contracts except these two players (for example they still have 30+ year olds signed Zuccarrelo 6M Spurgeon 7.6M). If they do somehow manage to land Eichel they will be saddled with so much deadweight they won't be able to surround him with any talent or depth.

It is nice seeing some of these contracts coming back to haunt teams 10 years later.
No team has been ####ed harder by expansion than the Wild.

-Trade Tuch so Vegas takes Haula instead of Eric Staal.

-15% of the cap for three years to protect Dumba.

They must really like one of the teenagers - you only stomach that cap penaloty
If you have no intention of being good for five years.
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Could see this. I really don't believe Suter will sing with any Canadian team.
Hasn't there been talk in the past that Suter made it known he only wants to play in the U.S.?
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Old 07-14-2021, 01:20 AM   #125
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Could see this. I really don't believe Suter will sing with any Canadian team.

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Hasn't there been talk in the past that Suter made it known he only wants to play in the U.S.?
I believe the contracts they signed speak for themselves, yes.
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Old 07-14-2021, 06:38 AM   #127
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Parise, the all-time leading goal scorer among Minnesotans in NHL history, hung up and immediately called his longtime comrade in arms, Suter, to inform his 2012 free-agent tag-team partner and fellow nine-year alternate captain that the Wild were buying out the final four years of his contract.

Suter tried to lift Parise’s spirits. He even told him that funny enough he himself had a missed call from Guerin.

That’s when Guerin suddenly called again. The veteran defenseman answered and was blindsided with the exact same news that he, too, was being bought out of the final four years of his contract.

That call with Guerin wasn’t as lengthy … or as friendly.

Suter, never, ever envisioning that the Wild would actually buy out both contracts at the same time, hung up on the GM.
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Yikes.

That doesn’t sound like Guerin and Suter on the same page, at all.
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Old 07-14-2021, 08:30 AM   #129
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Talk about being blindsided. Can you imagine trying to console a friend about bad news when you have absolutely no idea that the same fate is imminently in store for you? When a player like Parise sees it coming it's a lot easier to take than thinking you are safe only to receive that news.
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I have to believe that at some point Guerin would have approached them both to ask them to waive their NMC for the expansion draft. If that’s the case , they must have said no. At that point, Guerin must have decided that his only option was to buy them out and he probably felt their response to the request to waive their NMC warranted not informing them of his plan to buy them out.


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Talk about being blindsided. Can you imagine trying to console a friend about bad news when you have absolutely no idea that the same fate is imminently in store for you? When a player like Parise sees it coming it's a lot easier to take than thinking you are safe only to receive that news.
Been there. Corporate layoffs.
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Talk about being blindsided. Can you imagine trying to console a friend about bad news when you have absolutely no idea that the same fate is imminently in store for you? When a player like Parise sees it coming it's a lot easier to take than thinking you are safe only to receive that news.
Like real life?
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Been there. Corporate layoffs.
Yup, whatever. It’s business. Take the money and now literally go to any city you want and make more money than you would have. Oh no I didn’t see it coming that they cut me a giant check and now I have to go sign in Tampa or New York or anywhere.

He can now either chase a cup or go on a retirement contract somewhere warm.
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Old 07-14-2021, 10:08 AM   #134
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Why on earth would they buy out Giordano? Especially to sign a worse player?
lol whoops I meant if Gio is taken in the expansion draft, not bought out
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Yikes that's a messy situation for the buyouts to be blindsided like that. Suter is still a reliable defenseman though and I would say he is slightly lower in playing capabilities than Giordano is.

Much better than Keith though...
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I doubt it was that much of a blindside, more so just bad timing in the middle of that other call. One of the question marks on Guerin as a GM was he's probably too nice to make the hard calls, I doubt this was out of the blue, even from a business side they were likely asked to waive their NMC's

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Old 07-14-2021, 10:42 AM   #138
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If he's that mad, watch him sign with a Central division team so he can play the wild as much as possible.

likely he'll just cool down in a day or two and remember that it's just business.
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Is the buy out about the same or better if Parise and Suter retired when their contracts ramped down to a million dollars? That's a pretty big hammer for them to play.
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Talk about being blindsided. Can you imagine trying to console a friend about bad news when you have absolutely no idea that the same fate is imminently in store for you? When a player like Parise sees it coming it's a lot easier to take than thinking you are safe only to receive that news.
And then they both opened their banking apps and threw their heads back in laughter.
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