[News] Wild buying out Parise and Suter

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I don't know how anyone else feels about this, but I would be interested in Parise on a cheaper deal. I could also see him going to the Islanders or even back to the Devils

I would take Parise on a cheap one.

[SuperMatt18]

I think Philly could throw a lot of money at Suter.

They could use some leadership on the backend, and he feels like a guy they would go after.

I think he could get something like 3 years x $5M from a team.

IMO this is another example of a team overthinking the expansion draft though. I get buying out Parise that made sense, but you didn't need to buy out Suter.

You could have went 8+1 protection and protected:

Zuccarello (NMC)
Fiala
Eriksson Ek
Greenway
Suter
Spurgeon
Dumba
Brodin

That leaves Foligno, Bonino, Rask exposed. Kaprizov doesn't need to be protected. That isn't that bad.

Instead they decided to buy out Suter and Parise. Which leaves them without the guy who was their highest minute guy on defense last year, and $7M of dead cap space for 2023-2026 or something.

Just ridiculous.

[Ashes]

Suter on the Flames if Gio is bought out??

[TheScorpion]

Why on earth would they buy out Giordano? Especially to sign a worse player?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why on earth would they buy out Giordano? Especially to sign a worse player?

C'mon don't you know that Gio has never won a playoff series with this team and that is 100% his fault.

Duncan Keith and Ryan Suter are both better players at this stage of their careers than Gio and the Flames would be lucky to have either of them instead of Gio.

He's a failure as a captain and the team should buy him out to send a message. They can't hope that Seattle does them a favour and takes Gio off our hands, they should be buying him out because he's the worst.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A little classless IMO. You would think the organization at the very least would have given him the heads up that they are considering it. The guy has been an absolute workhorse for that organization for nine seasons and they cut him loose just like that without even talking to him.

What are the options?
1. End of season:
“We’re thinking about buying you out.”
“Wow, I’m shocked!”

2. End of season:
“We’re going to buy you out when the window opens.”
“Wow, I’m shocked!”

3. Just before the buyout period:
“We’re going to buy you out.”
“Wow, I’m shocked!”

If you tell the player before you’ve officially decided the direction and don’t buy them out you just end up angering a player you end up keeping. Same way you don’t tell a player you intend to trade them until the trade is official.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

What are the options?
1. End of season:
“We’re thinking about buying you out.”
“Wow, I’m shocked!”

2. End of season:
“We’re going to buy you out when the window opens.”
“Wow, I’m shocked!”

3. Just before the buyout period:
“We’re going to buy you out.”
“Wow, I’m shocked!”

If you tell the player before you’ve officially decided the direction and don’t buy them out you just end up angering a player you end up keeping. Same way you don’t tell a player you intend to trade them until the trade is official.

So if Gio gets exposed in the expansion draft and the Kraken don't pick him is he going to be angered? No because the team discussed it with him and players understand the business. I would think if Treliving was looking at buying out Lucic say next offseason that he gives him a call and gives him the heads up as that's what a GM with some class would do.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why on earth would they buy out Giordano? Especially to sign a worse player?

Ricardowd is finally getting to people...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So if Gio gets exposed in the expansion draft and the Kraken don't pick him is he going to be angered? No because the team discussed it with him and players understand the business. I would think if Treliving was looking at buying out Lucic say next offseason that he gives him a call and gives him the heads up as that's what a GM with some class would do.

Maybe they have been going back and forth for awhile on the NMC and neither would budge.

[Stud_McCool]

I don't know. If I was in Suter's shoes, and made all that money already, I would appreciate a buyout. Gives me the option to go to a contender and still be financially secure.

[TheScorpion]

Suter isn't going to some middle-ground team as a depth option, as has been speculated by some in this thread.

He's either going to get paid or sign for cheap with a contender like Tampa. And either way, I'll be stunned if he doesn't average 20-22 a night next year.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'd be surprised if he signs for less than 4.5x2.

[Jacks]

The more I think about this the crazier it seems. You would think that they could retain and be way better off. Ryan Suter at 5-6M should be a tradeable asset. Parise would be a tougher sell but at 3.8M it should have been possible to move him with some sort of asset attached. 5-6M x 4 years is a hell of a lot better than what they ended up with after the buyout.

I'm sure people will say they had NMC's and might not have been willing to waive but from the sounds of it the players didn't even know that this was coming. I guess with the small amount of real money left on the contracts the players probably prefer a buyout but you have to at least try.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So if Gio gets exposed in the expansion draft and the Kraken don't pick him is he going to be angered? No because the team discussed it with him and players understand the business. I would think if Treliving was looking at buying out Lucic say next offseason that he gives him a call and gives him the heads up as that's what a GM with some class would do.

Expansion draft isn’t comparable to a buyout. The ultimate control of the situation is out of the teams hands in expansion. With expansion you will have an unprotected list that you have to navigate no matter who’s on it. There will be more players on the unprotected list than on the protected list. Do you talk to all of them ahead of time, and tell them they’re either going to be protected or unprotected and you’re obviously still debating the lists until they’re officially submitted? Please don’t be mad that we protected the players we protected. Please don’t be mad that you got exposed but not selected.

With a buyout I don’t see why you would tell the player until you had decided 100%. There’s nothing to say anyways. We’d like to put your future into uncertainty for no reason, until there’s a reason.

You want your boss to come to you every time they’re considering firing you, but don’t?

[Robbob]

I just realized that those few years where they are rocking the 12M-14M dead cap space, they will effectively only be able to go around 6M over the cap floor if the cap doesn't change. I don't think there are enough perma LTIR contracts out there to make it work. Going to suck being a Wild fan for a bit.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Suter on the Flames if Gio is bought out??

I wouldn’t buy Gio out, but I’d think about it if Gio was taken by Seattle.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jacks

The more I think about this the crazier it seems. You would think that they could retain and be way better off. Ryan Suter at 5-6M should be a tradeable asset. Parise would be a tougher sell but at 3.8M it should have been possible to move him with some sort of asset attached. 5-6M x 4 years is a hell of a lot better than what they ended up with after the buyout.

I'm sure people will say they had NMC's and might not have been willing to waive but from the sounds of it the players didn't even know that this was coming. I guess with the small amount of real money left on the contracts the players probably prefer a buyout but you have to at least try.

I have to think that they were squatting on their NMC’s, because you’re right that this doesn’t make any sense.

They both, together, signed long term retirement contracts in their home area. They weren’t giving that up.

[Monahammer]

Parise will probably sign cheap in NJ or the islanders. But I would pitch him a vet contact. Suter will be too expensive to be worth it, but if you had my pick for a Chris chelios equivalent as Holland is so fond of reminiscing, it would be Suter.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A little classless IMO. You would think the organization at the very least would have given him the heads up that they are considering it. The guy has been an absolute workhorse for that organization for nine seasons and they cut him loose just like that without even talking to him.

I wonder how blindsided he really was. Did they discuss other options with him? Does seem like they would have explored trade options first, which would have required informing him.

[Tabaracci_31]

Perhaps Suter will end up in Vegas if they lose Martinez.