[Rumour] Hamonic to Vancouver on PTO. May have 1 yr deal in place

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by AC

I'm confused why Canucks fans are penciling Juolevi into an NHL spot, even being an improvement on Benn and Fantenberg.

It doesn't look like Juolevi did much in the AHL for an offensive Dman. Rafferty crushed his AHL production from the looks of it.

Probably because Tkachuk has had 4 full really productive seasons and Juolevi hasn't even played a game yet. They're getting impatient.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...return-to-play

As a parent myself, I'm not sure how I can put myself in his shoes, read his statement, and then come in here and complain and insult the guy like others have. I probably would have done the same thing he did. It's a friggin' game. Family comes first. He was obviously very concerned last season (for good reason), and seems to be more comfortable now to come back. Good for him. I wish him all the best.

Who insulted him per se? I've seen a fair bit of disappointment, some eye-brow raising, plenty not worried about his abilities, but insulted?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Barca

Edler - Schmidt
Hughes - Myers
Juolevi - Hamonic
Rathbone - Rafferty

Juolevi > Benn/Fanta
Hamonic >= Stecher
Schmidt >>>> Tanev

Jim Benning has improved the defence without even trying haha.

Schmidt fell to his lap, Travis only wants to play for a Western Canadian team and signs arguably the 2nd best goaltender in the market for Ian Clark to rehab. what an offseason lol

Hamonic is not a good NHL defenseman currently coming off a massive hiatus and you're expecting a lot from Schmidt. He's solid, but I don't think he's going to be quite as great as you think he is going to be. The shiny new toy syndrome is strong.

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot that you're that massive Canuck homer tire pumper with 2 inch-thick rosy spectacles.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am glad that Hamonic isn't returning to Calgary. I really enjoy that rugged-type of defencemen, but for whatever reason, he simply didn't work out here. He had streaks where it seemed things were aligning for him, but then it all kind of fell apart. I also thought that he brought down his defensive partners. From my perspective, it has been addition by subtraction on the ice.


I do, however, think that the Flames will miss his leadership in the locker room, will miss the way he is willing to stick up for his team mates without hesitation, and the community as a whole will miss him. He is just one of those really good people.


To see people mocking him for choosing to stay in the bubble, and now to come out and sign with the Canucks, I just don't understand. I don't understand some of the takes some people have here questioning his competitiveness, questioning his motivations. It isn't like he doesn't have a daughter in high risk. It isn't like testing has been better. It also isn't like he didn't take note of the outstanding job that the NHL did during the playoffs - I was actually surprised by that myself.


We make decisions every single day. We are also free to make a different decision next time, rather than 'stick to our guns'. We learn, we adapt, we grow, and we also reconsider.


I am glad that Hamonic won't be playing here in Calgary any longer. I saw him as an on-ice liability, and a guy that seemed to drag down his partners too. I will never, however, question his heart or his integrity, or how fantastic he must have been to his teammates on and off the ice, and how many lives he has helped in the community. I wish him luck in Vancouver, and will be interested to see if he ends up performing better there.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Ah yes. It's best to throw a just recently recovered from a season ending injury 23 year old into his first NHL games in the play-offs.

We had experienced NHL depth and that made a lot more sense than feeding Juolevi to the wolves. Not every young player is going to Makar their way into the play-offs and destroy a team.





Comparing his previous partner to his current one, which is what the entire argument is... is a strawman? K.





Just like they did with Tanev-Hughes. Dump ins went to Tanev. Puck still ended up with Hughes. Pro-tip: teams have plans for things like cross ice dumps. The plan, in this case, usually involves a super complicated play called "a reverse". As you appear to be a novice fan, I'll explain. See, that's a play that sees the puck dumped into Hamonic or Tanev's corner and he "reverses" the puck behind the net to Quinn Hughes side, allowing Quinn Hughes to get the pick and lead the break-out. As you watch games this year why don't you see if you can identify this play in action!

Apparently Hamonic put up better numbers than Tanev despite playing with a weaker partner.



https://canucksarmy.com/2021/01/03/t...-reported-pto/

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Barca

Apparently Hamonic put up better numbers than Tanev despite playing with a weaker partner.



https://canucksarmy.com/2021/01/03/t...-reported-pto/

Yeah.. Hamonic was awful.

The numbers can say what they will, but I know what I saw lol. He was an anchor for Hanifin. Then Hanifin suddenly showed potential and upside again in the playoffs away from him.

Our defense improved when he went down. Character guy though.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Barca

Apparently Hamonic put up better numbers than Tanev despite playing with a weaker partner.



https://canucksarmy.com/2021/01/03/t...-reported-pto/

Looks like Tanev was better at shot suppression and goal suppression, which is exactly what his job is.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Looks like Tanev was better at shot suppression and goal suppression, which is exactly what his job is.

Disclaimer: i have no idea what those numbers mean LOL

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by AC

I'm confused why Canucks fans are penciling Juolevi into an NHL spot, even being an improvement on Benn and Fantenberg.

It doesn't look like Juolevi did much in the AHL for an offensive Dman. Rafferty crushed his AHL production from the looks of it.

Juolevi has been the better player. He's also been hurt perpetually.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

you're expecting a lot from Schmidt.

The guy who had been the Knights #1 dman until Shea Theodore took that next step this past season? I think you're not expecting enough.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barca

Apparently Hamonic put up better numbers than Tanev despite playing with a weaker partner.



https://canucksarmy.com/2021/01/03/t...-reported-pto/

How did I know you would be coming out of the woodwork. Anyway dumb comparison considering the defensive structure (or lack thereof) of the Canucks as a whole.

Holtby the 2nd best goalie on the market lol

I promise that won't age well

[djsFlames]

The pundits largely agreed that the Canucks took a step back, and Schmidt only helped to mitigate that loss a bit.

I mean you can try to spin it that they somehow improved instead (and frankly that takes a fair bit of reaching), but most in and around the hockey world are disagreeing, and it's not an unpopular take.

But hey, maybe your guys will rally around that.

Barca's angle (reading between the lines) that the offseason changes were a net-win and including Hamonic in that argument though is laughable. Belly-laughable.

Leadership counts for a lot with a young club like yours and Markstrom and Tanev were by all accounts leaders for your club in a season where they saw some success. Expecting new guys to come in and not only replicate their top play but also replace those intangibles in the room is a lot to ask, let alone assume.

I will say that I am intrigued on how it will all shake out. Aside from the Oilers inevitably sucking, I have no idea how these Canadian teams will stack up going head to head for a season.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Who insulted him per se? I've seen a fair bit of disappointment, some eye-brow raising, plenty not worried about his abilities, but insulted?

Originally Posted by keenan87

Just seems like a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Guy is a massive hypocrite who bailed on his team

Originally Posted by GullFoss

He was in "his right" to do it, but it was a bad decision that either showed a lack of judgement and/or selfishness.

Being called selfish and a massive hypocrite aren't exactly compliments.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...return-to-play

As a parent myself, I'm not sure how I can put myself in his shoes, read his statement, and then come in here and complain and insult the guy like others have. I probably would have done the same thing he did. It's a friggin' game. Family comes first. He was obviously very concerned last season (for good reason), and seems to be more comfortable now to come back. Good for him. I wish him all the best.

I just wanted to chime in and say that I thought very long and hard about continuing my job as professor, teaching in person, knowing full well that the students would be going out to restaurants and bars, and would be putting me at risk. In the end I made the choice to go back to work, but it was touch and go right up until the final day.

I've read too many stories of men my age, with young children, no underlying health conditions, dying from this virus. Hell, there is a congressman-elect in Louisiana who fits that description to a T who won't ever make it to capitol hill because he died from the virus before he could get there.

To sit around and pass judgment on Hamonic for making the choice to be there for his family, especially knowing that his father passed early in his life and how that may have affected him...seriously, to know all that and still sit here in judgement of him, it's unbelievable to me.

He didn't bail on his teammates, he signed up long-term to take care of his real team...his family.

I hope we all make the same choice when push comes to shove.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The pundits largely agreed that the Canucks took a step back, and Schmidt only helped to mitigate that loss a bit.

Which?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Comparing his previous partner to his current one, which is what the entire argument is... is a strawman? K.

Well, I bolded the strawman for you, but apparently that wasn't enough for you.

Just like they did with Tanev-Hughes. Dump ins went to Tanev. Puck still ended up with Hughes. Pro-tip: teams have plans for things like cross ice dumps. The plan, in this case, usually involves a super complicated play called "a reverse". As you appear to be a novice fan, I'll explain. See, that's a play that sees the puck dumped into Hamonic or Tanev's corner and he "reverses" the puck behind the net to Quinn Hughes side, allowing Quinn Hughes to get the pick and lead the break-out. As you watch games this year why don't you see if you can identify this play in action!

Yeah, because Tanev is much better at moving the puck than Hamonic. That was the point.

But hey, you'll have Hamonic and Juolevi on the point this year - have fun with that!

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A lot of people are assuming he made the decision based on managing the risk of COVID. Which is possible and perhaps even probable. But amongst the things we don't know anything about is what was going on with his family at that time. One of the unique elements of the bubble was that players would be separated from their family for an extended period of time - something that won't be the case now with the season.

So that's one of the factors that changed, and perhaps caused his decision to change.

Perhaps he felt he could not be away from his family for that length of time.

Again - lots we don't know.

I totally agree with this point.

When the pandemic started, I was in what I considered a vulnerable position to catch the virus at work.

I put myself in a bubble for three weeks. Did not see my wife and kids at all for those three weeks. It was incredibly hard for me to go through that.

I totally respect Travis’ decision not to go to the nhl bubble. I can totally see how being away from your young family for a period of time can be difficult.

I would have loved to be able to not attend work and be with my family, but that was not a viable option for me.

Also, I have learned a lot about the virus since it started, and have been able to protect myself and my family better. Clearly if people don’t know anything more about the virus now than they did 9 months ago, they need to pay a little more attention.

His decision might not have been all about going to the safe place the nhl bubble was, but more about potentially being away from his young family for a long period of time. We don’t know, and I am just speculating of course.

But we should not be pulling out the pitchforks for choice he made.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, I bolded the strawman for you, but apparently that wasn't enough for you.

Because arguing the point of the argument isn't a straw man.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, because Tanev is much better at moving the puck than Hamonic. That was the point.

If you say so. I don't think they're that much different on that front. Their end goal will be get the puck to Quinn/Olli

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But hey, you'll have Hamonic and Juolevi on the point this year - have fun with that!

I'm pretty excited about Juolevi, so I will. Less excited about Hamonic, but my take on him is still "but... why?"

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I just wanted to chime in and say that I thought very long and hard about continuing my job as professor, teaching in person, knowing full well that the students would be going out to restaurants and bars, and would be putting me at risk. In the end I made the choice to go back to work, but it was touch and go right up until the final day.

I've read too many stories of men my age, with young children, no underlying health conditions, dying from this virus. Hell, there is a congressman-elect in Louisiana who fits that description to a T who won't ever make it to capitol hill because he died from the virus before he could get there.

To sit around and pass judgment on Hamonic for making the choice to be there for his family, especially knowing that his father passed early in his life and how that may have affected him...seriously, to know all that and still sit here in judgement of him, it's unbelievable to me.

He didn't bail on his teammates, he signed up long-term to take care of his real team...his family.

I hope we all make the same choice when push comes to shove.

Long term? guy is playing again...you are giving reasons he shouldn't be

This would be a good post after he opted out in the summer...nobody had an issue with it then though. The thing raising eyebrows is him playing in an far more risky environment now.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Because arguing the point of the argument isn't a straw man.





If you say so. I don't think they're that much different on that front. Their end goal will be get the puck to Quinn/Olli





I'm pretty excited about Juolevi, so I will. Less excited about Hamonic, but my take on him is still "but... why?"

I’m excited to see Juolevi too. Mostly so you can be reminded that you could have had Tkachuk instead of this guy