[Rumour] Hamonic to Vancouver on PTO. May have 1 yr deal in place

[Flame On]

Why all the sanctimoniousness on here. We've booed players on their return for a lot less.
Fine with his decisions for personal/family reasons, but I can still wanna boo the heck out of him. You know, if we were still at games that is.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Depends if Harmonic ends up replacing Tanev with Hughes.

If he does, I may have bad news for you...

Ah, the Flames worst dman last season playing on your top pair is supposed to be a burn to Flames fans?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly don't we all feel a little more "comfortable" with Covid now than back in August?

This whole argument seems silly to me. Nothing about Travis Hamonic in his career suggests a selfish player or person. The guy has character oozing out of every pore.

The game speed changed in the last three to four years, and it caught up with him, but the guy isn't any less of a human being.

Maybe Hamonic is a good guy. Good guys can still make terrible decisions.

I'm not passing judgement on his character as a whole. I'm only looking at this one decision. And I don't think we can revert to saying "he wasn't comfortable" with Covid. It's a cop out given how much we knew about covid at the time, the extent to which our economy was open and the decisions made by all the other NHL personnel to play in the bubble.

[Jiri Hrdina]

A lot of people are assuming he made the decision based on managing the risk of COVID. Which is possible and perhaps even probable. But amongst the things we don't know anything about is what was going on with his family at that time. One of the unique elements of the bubble was that players would be separated from their family for an extended period of time - something that won't be the case now with the season.

So that's one of the factors that changed, and perhaps caused his decision to change.

Perhaps he felt he could not be away from his family for that length of time.

Again - lots we don't know.

[Vinny01]

Cant the hate just be a former player who never lived up to the hype and just left to one of our biggest rivals?

I hope the Canucks are brutal next year and I don’t care how good or bad Hamonic really is as long as the Canucks do poorly. I won’t be cheering for him if o ever get to see him play live again

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly don't we all feel a little more "comfortable" with Covid now than back in August?

This whole argument seems silly to me. Nothing about Travis Hamonic in his career suggests a selfish player or person. The guy has character oozing out of every pore.

The game speed changed in the last three to four years, and it caught up with him, but the guy isn't any less of a human being.

I really don't get the hate at all. Hamonic was a warrior for the Flames. We're talking about a guy who suffered a facial fracture following a fight with 6'5'' Gudbranson, after Gudbranson made a questionable hit on Dube.

Also, 6 months ago, playing professional sports seemed like a very dangerous endeavour. There were many breakouts among professional sports teams. The bubble turned out to be relatively safe, but even then, there were reported cases of Covid initially. Hamonic, since his father's passing, plays a very important role with his family, and there were all sorts of reports of how dangerous covid was to children at the time the NHL bubble came into being.

I get that in hindsight it was a bad trade. The role of defencemen has changed, and unfortunately Hamonic's lack of speed means he's unable to adapt. However, Hamonic is not the type of player that should be booed. The Flames could use a few more players with his attitude.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Could a PTO actually be your top pairing right Dman?

I figure your $6M man Myers or new guys Schmidt would be the guy to play with your young stud.

Putting Hamonic with Hughes might be bad news for you. If that is the plan we can start penning those sophomore slump article GM’s for young Quinn

Why not? He's coming in to replace Tanev, who spent most of his season with Hughes. Though more realistically Hamonic ends up paired with Juolevi or Rathbone if either of them make the team.

Myers is the one most likely to play with Hughes. Both Hughes and Myers best games/numbers came while paired up.

Schmidt is going to be with Edler. You may end up seeing Schmidt and Hughes paired together late in games if we're behind.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Why not? He's coming in to replace Tanev, who spent most of his season with Hughes. Though more realistically Hamonic ends up paired with Juolevi or Rathbone if either of them make the team.

Myers is the one most likely to play with Hughes. Both Hughes and Myers best games/numbers came while paired up.

Schmidt is going to be with Edler. You may end up seeing Schmidt and Hughes paired together late in games if we're behind.

Because he is no longer any good at moving the puck out of the zone.

Two things you probably don't want to see as a Nucks fan:

1) Hughes having to defend.
2) Hughes spending a lot of time in his own end.

But please... by all means, pair up Hamonic and Hughes

[Ryan Coke]

I don’t buy the argument that we know so much more about the virus now than July. But I also don’t begrudge him deeply. I think he made a flawed decision, but it wasn’t out of selfishness.

The reality for most people is their perception of risk changes with time. The actions most are willing to take for a week or a month, is very different from what sacrifices they make for a year, or 3, or 10. Even with the same knowledge of risk of infection and the associated health risks.

I think he and his family made a poor risk assessment in the summer, but they realize he can’t just stop “working” for the next few years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by blankall

I really don't get the hate at all. Hamonic was a warrior for the Flames. We're talking about a guy who suffered a facial fracture following a fight with 6'5'' Gudbranson, after Gudbranson made a questionable hit on Dube.

Also, 6 months ago, playing professional sports seemed like a very dangerous endeavour. There were many breakouts among professional sports teams. The bubble turned out to be relatively safe, but even then, there were reported cases of Covid initially. Hamonic, since his father's passing, plays a very important role with his family, and there were all sorts of reports of how dangerous covid was to children at the time the NHL bubble came into being.

I get that in hindsight it was a bad trade. The role of defencemen has changed, and unfortunately Hamonic's lack of speed means he's unable to adapt. However, Hamonic is not the type of player that should be booed. The Flames could use a few more players with his attitude.

I totally disagree with this for his final season. He was terrible last year, he played like he could care less. Many of us even were happy when he opted out because the alternative D men could not possibly be worse. Regardless of why he skipped the playoffs I will be thrilled if he ends up in Vancouver.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because he is no longer any good at moving the puck out of the zone.

Two things you probably don't want to see as a Nucks fan:

1) Hughes having to defend.
2) Hughes spending a lot of time in his own end.

But please... by all means, pair up Hamonic and Hughes

You seem to think that Tanev was some sort of break out dynamo. He has a decent first pass, but it wasn't any where near as good as it used to be this past season but that didn't matter since his partner was Quinn Hughes. This brings me to your scenario, why in gods name is Hamonic moving the puck out of the zone when his partner is Quinn Hughes?

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeesh, some harsh takes in this thread.

My takeaway is that clearly Canucks management is sending the message that their non-Hughes D prospects aren't ready for primetime. Hughes might be the only under 30 guy on their blue line. Ok, I checked and Schmidt is 29, but you get the idea.

That's a super strange take, because as it is their 5th and 6th d men had a combined 1 game played, whether it was juolevi, rathbone, or Rafferty. With Benn as the 7th guy

Bringing in some depth on the right side makes a ton of sense, especially with the taxi squads

It sounds like its gonna be a 1 year deal around 1m

If he gets outplayed by rathbone and juolevi, those two are gonna play

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

What evidence do you have to support that claim? The signs were there in terms of declining play and poor analytics. Everything about his play combined with the economic shift would indicate he was going to have a hard time finding a lucrative long term deal.

If hamonic had played and had himself a respectable playoffs, there'd be plenty of GM's that would see him as a player worthy of some money and term as he could patch a hole on their roster. He still has a pretty good reputation around the league. I think it'd be reasonable to say he still had close to 10 million in career earnings left in him, now he's going to be making close to league minimum for 1 year and might be done for good after that.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Why not? He's coming in to replace Tanev, who spent most of his season with Hughes. Though more realistically Hamonic ends up paired with Juolevi or Rathbone if either of them make the team

That's a pretty big "if". The coach saw one game of Juolevi in the play in-round, and said, "no thanks, I'll take 23 man games of Oscar Fantenberg and Jordie Benn."

[AC]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Why not? He's coming in to replace Tanev, who spent most of his season with Hughes. Though more realistically Hamonic ends up paired with Juolevi or Rathbone if either of them make the team.

Myers is the one most likely to play with Hughes. Both Hughes and Myers best games/numbers came while paired up.

I posted this before, but interestingly in the 3 series against Minnesota, St Louis, and Vegas the D combinations involving Hughes were overall:

Hughes/Tanev +4
Hughes/Stetcher even
Hughes/Myers -2
Hughes/Edler -2

[getoverit]

Solid pick up for Vancouver. He still has a role in this league and cost them basically nothing. Still peed over getting nothing for Brodie or Hamonic. Bad asset mgmt

[AC]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Solid pick up for Vancouver. He still has a role in this league and cost them basically nothing. Still peed over getting nothing for Brodie or Hamonic. Bad asset mgmt

You wanted us to trade Brodie heading into the playoffs last season?

That would never happen, and his rights obviously didn't hold much value prior to hitting free agency. The trade for Kadri the summer before would have been nice, but that's on Kadri for blocking it.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He may have simply not wanted to be away from his young child for potentially 3 months. And he wasn’t the only one.

While I empathize, he does get payed a lot of money to be away from his family. He would have been away from them and not put anyone at risk.

[getoverit]

Yep and would have ended up with a decent return and probably better 1st round pic. Not like we got past the first round with this group

Originally Posted by AC

You wanted us to trade Brodie heading into the playoffs last season?

That would never happen, and his rights obviously didn't hold much value prior to hitting free agency. The trade for Kadri the summer before would have been nice, but that's on Kadri for blocking it.

[topfiverecords]

This thread has been a painful read. Just terrible take after terrible take.