Not sure how you can say he isn't a top six player offensively.
Because he hasn't produced numbers to support that claim?
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Literally the one season he played in that spot, as a winger, he produced 18 goals and 18 assists - as a rookie.
And in four years since he's headed in the wrong direction. Coach, after coach, after coach has not been confident to move him up the lineup. No one in the Flames organization seems to believe he's a top six player.
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He's earned a shot to play with offensive players, and that's what he should be rewarded with.
We will find out next season. I don't think he's earned anything except a chance to play on the third line. That is his opportunity to seize. If he excels there over 30-40 games, and shows some consistency in his game, then he might deserve a shot further up the lineup.
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He is Tim Kerr, isn't he, if you are old enough to remember?
Interesting comparison. Tim Kerr scored goals at a HOF level and then absolutely fell off a cliff. Still holds record for most PP goals in a season and he produced in the playoffs.
But I guess the salient points are that he was a winger and there were some good players on those Flyers teams that played complete hockey so his responsibilities were probably limited.
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Because he hasn't produced numbers to support that claim?
And in four years since he's headed in the wrong direction. Coach, after coach, after coach has not been confident to move him up the lineup. No one in the Flames organization seems to believe he's a top six player.
We will find out next season. I don't think he's earned anything except a chance to play on the third line. That is his opportunity to seize. If he excels there over 30-40 games, and shows some consistency in his game, then he might deserve a shot further up the lineup.
Yeah no way you can call Sam Bennett a top six forward with his regular season stats to date.
I think this year's playoffs suggest he needs some regular season rope as a third line center with decent linemates to see what you have though. If time, change in position, or linemates have finally moved him further along that development curve you're better to reap the rewards here than see him turn the corner somewhere else.
Because he hasn't produced numbers to support that claim?
And in four years since he's headed in the wrong direction. Coach, after coach, after coach has not been confident to move him up the lineup. No one in the Flames organization seems to believe he's a top six player.
We will find out next season. I don't think he's earned anything except a chance to play on the third line. That is his opportunity to seize. If he excels there over 30-40 games, and shows some consistency in his game, then he might deserve a shot further up the lineup.
The third line role and PP time is what my hope is for him.
I don't see him actually moving ahead of Backs or Monahan based on a playoff run - I was just arguing that if Bennett WERE in a top six role, I think he would produce at a top six clip. Didn't really nail conveying that though. I think the lack of a role has crippled Bennett's confidence and led to frustration that we visibly see on the ice with him trying to do too much in a limited role. Give him a defined role and good wingers, and I think we'll be rewarded for it with Benny.
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Not sure how you can say he isn't a top six player offensively.
Literally the one season he played in that spot, as a winger, he produced 18 goals and 18 assists - as a rookie.
He's earned a shot to play with offensive players, and that's what he should be rewarded with. Perhaps his role is as 3rd line centre with good wingers next year, but he's earned PP time. Dude has one of the better point shots on the team and can actually one-time a puck.
If Bennett doesn't get rewarded, this team is truly lost.
I think that’s fair enough. I don’t think he’s developed as hoped (his or teams fault or varying combo is debatable). So my point was realistic at this point he’s probably what he is. Agreed he should get his sip of tea early in the season to be higher in the lineup but again, I think his plateau has been reached).
The third line role and PP time is what my hope is for him.
I don't see him actually moving ahead of Backs or Monahan based on a playoff run - I was just arguing that if Bennett WERE in a top six role, I think he would produce at a top six clip. Didn't really nail conveying that though. I think the lack of a role has crippled Bennett's confidence and led to frustration that we visibly see on the ice with him trying to do too much in a limited role. Give him a defined role and good wingers, and I think we'll be rewarded for it with Benny.
Bennett does have some intangibles that Monahan does not have. He also has ability to drive a line, "as we saw in the playoffs". This something we don't see from Monahan.
This is one reason I suggested in an earlier post about Hall and Bennett playing together; Since both players are very durable they may complement each other. if they have chemistry, Hall can do the scoring while Bennett does the heavy lifting. Quite possible that what Bennett actually needs is to play with elite players in order to complement his skill set. Didn't Bennett play with McDavid at one time. I think they played together for 7 or 8 years?
Personally I think they Flames need to develop a top line that is skilled and durable, but that consists of guys that can drive the line.
BT is like a failed politician.
He speaks well and you want to believe in him so you keep giving him time.
But once you break down what he has and hasn't actually done, it's a failure.
As other's have said, the team needs a mentally shift. Mediocre is so accepted here that it's actually the mandate.
That won't change unless is starts from the top.
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BT is like a failed politician. He speaks well and you want to believe in him so you keep giving him time.
But once you break down what he has and hasn't actually done, it's a failure.
As other's have said, the team needs a mentally shift. Mediocre is so accepted here that it's actually the mandate.
That won't change unless is starts from the top.
This is rather accurate. IMO Treliving gets a lot of credit for the next moves he will be making without knowing what they are.
Six+ years into his tenure, is the team "as is" on an upward, downward or lateral trajectory?
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Lots of people support him. The detractors are just louder.
Seems to be the case with a lot of things around here... Calgary is a tough market for a GM he deserves more time IMO. Most of the near misses are due to geography that won't change with someone new
I didn't vote because I have no strong feelings about Treliving either way.
I do think he's been trying to make the right moves at least. Kadri would have been a great fit I believe, as would Stone. The trade deadline additions of Forbort and Gustafsson were really solid. Lucic is a good piece too, if only it wasn't for that contract...
Basically what I'm saying is, it seems to me Treliving does seem to at least have a good grasp of what the team needs. I'm far from convinced he's the best guy to make it happen, but I'm okay with giving him one more chance.
... But I wouldn't be upset if he got the boot either.
Player moves, I think he knows what the team needs and tries to make moves. In terms of coaching though, I'm not sure where his head is at and I don't feel as confident in his direction.
He has a chance to correct that coming up. We'll see what happens.
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