[Rumour] TSN: Peters status. Shake up trade. Hamonic's future

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Is Gaudreau our Duchene?

Since Colorado already had it's first (super) line already in place, Duchene was way more expendable than Calgary's offense driving Johnny.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

As you’ve pointed out, simply from a selling perspective this team is incredibly well positioned. Brodie, Hamonic, Talbot, Frolik as pending UFAs - it’s not wild to think that we could be looking at two 1st round picks, and then two picks in that 5th-7th round range.

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With the Flames, I can not imagine they will be in a position where they are trading the likes of Harmonic or Brodie for picks.

Its more likely they are chasing a wild card spot (assuming they continue to struggle)

They look to add a veteran etc....

As for two 1st for a top 10 pick, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Past draft's show its very difficult to move up in that range.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

I really feel that the Flames are suffering from a few things:

Players "traded" that remain
Frolik, Brodie, Jankowski, Bennett - Can't be much motivation to play for a team that had traded you and now you're expected to give it your all when you know you aren't wanted. Professionals or not, that has to have some impact.

Tkachuk getting paid:
I strongly feel JG is being a little whiner and pouting that Tkachuk was paid above the "Gio" cap that was used effectively to keep him at a reasonable number. It's the big ole FU to the team, "I had to come in less, and then you bend for him?". Right or wrong, this is probably weighing on the situation.

Smith and Neal:
While Neal didn't pan out here, I think he had the attitude (more so Smith I think) to get these guys out of the whoa is me mentality and pull up their panties when things get tough. Smith had that, his glares, he held people accountable. Neal I thought had that, but he pouted like the best of them when he wasn't gifted top 2 line minutes.

As per "traded" players:
It's a business. A player knows that he could be traded at any time. They don't want to be traded, but they know that they could be a piece in a trade that gets the team a player they want. They don't take it personally and quit on the team. If anything, they get a bit stressed about having to leave friends or what to do with their family in their current city if they're rooted in that city and that affects play, but these guys are professionals. They don't quit on the team because they were rumored to have been a part of a trade that fell though. To the player it is mostly just rumors anyway. Unless they have a trade or movement clause they don't hear too much about potential trades from management.


As for player salaries, they don't care that somebody else is making to the point that they quit on their team. They know the environment when they signed their contracts and they know that things will change. They are professionals. If they were scared of salaries going up in a couple of years then they should sign for less term. I remember reading a player's interview about people getting paid more and they are generally happy for their teammates and not upset that somebody else is paying for them. While they may be envious, it isn't to the point of it affecting their play, and if it does they don't hang around long.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by flambers

With the Flames, I can not imagine they will be in a position where they are trading the likes of Harmonic or Brodie for picks.

Its more likely they are chasing a wild card spot (assuming they continue to struggle)

They look to add a veteran etc....

As for two 1st for a top 10 pick, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Past draft's show its very difficult to move up in that range.

May have misread what I was saying.

Was saying more so that

Brodie —> 1st round pick
Hamonic —> 1st round pick
Talbot —> 5th-7th round pick
Frolik —> 5th-7th round pick

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since Colorado already had it's first (super) line already in place, Duchene was way more expendable than Calgary's offense driving Johnny.

Kind of. The players were looking like they were on the cusp of being elite but really they had not broken out yet. At the time of the Duchene trade:

Mackinnon - 52 points the previous season, 14 points in 14 games prior to trade
Rantanen - 38 points the previous season, 12 points in 14 games prior to trade
Landeskog - 33 points the previous season, 10 points in 14 games prior to the trade

So they were trending up but really it was just the beginning of the emergence of some of the younger guys on the roster.

The rest of that season though was when they really took off (Mackinnon and Rantanen specifically)

Mackinnon - 83 points in 60 GP
Rantanen - 72 points in 67 GP
Landeskog - 52 points in 64 GP

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Joborule

As been mentioned a lot on this forum already, if there's a year to be a massive disappointment and suck, this is it. The team has assets they can use to acclimate a fair chunk of picks in a draft that's suppose to be pretty good. With the pending UFA's coming off the books, the Flames can enter the off season with several early round picks in their cupboards, and cap space to work with. And the core doesn't have to be burned down to the earth in order to pull it off.

Just as long as Treliving doesn't trade any of the draft picks (unless they are late rounders) and keep most of our primary prospects, this mess can have silver lining at least. Just ride out the season, and focus on the upcoming years.

......... ####. You’re so right.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Stanley

That's sarcasm btw...a dig at all the stupid comments I read on FB about it.

If it's a stupid comment elsewhere don't quote it here
This stuff legit could get the site in some hot water.

[Toonage]

Don't know where else to put this, so here:

Rieder called up. Others possible.

Wonder who else gets the call?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1197224227557896192

[Vinny01]

So this is the shakeup for now?

[Toonage]

You want to rent a limo, but only have bus fare...

[EVERLAST]

We keep firing coaches
We keep the GM
We keep the players
We keep......
Hmmmm read that again.

So what kind of insane behaviour is this? Really. ?

We just extended Tre. We wanna now fire another coach and keep all the players who have gotten rid of how many coaches.

Ok.....😥

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

May have misread what I was saying.

Was saying more so that

Brodie —> 1st round pick
Hamonic —> 1st round pick
Talbot —> 5th-7th round pick
Frolik —> 5th-7th round pick

I don't think Talbot is worth a draft pick of any kind.
he's at the stage where you put him on waivers and hope he gets taken.
too many goalies out there and not much market for them.

I would question hamonic, too. is he really a difference maker as a rental that someone would pay a first for him? I don't see how you can value him the same as Brodie.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

I really feel that the Flames are suffering from a few things:

Players "traded" that remain
Frolik, Brodie, Jankowski, Bennett - Can't be much motivation to play for a team that had traded you and now you're expected to give it your all when you know you aren't wanted. Professionals or not, that has to have some impact.

Tkachuk getting paid:
I strongly feel JG is being a little whiner and pouting that Tkachuk was paid above the "Gio" cap that was used effectively to keep him at a reasonable number. It's the big ole FU to the team, "I had to come in less, and then you bend for him?". Right or wrong, this is probably weighing on the situation.

Smith and Neal:
While Neal didn't pan out here, I think he had the attitude (more so Smith I think) to get these guys out of the whoa is me mentality and pull up their panties when things get tough. Smith had that, his glares, he held people accountable. Neal I thought had that, but he pouted like the best of them when he wasn't gifted top 2 line minutes.

Swing and a miss.

First you miss the mark with Bennett being 'traded'. It has been reported by every hockey analyst I know that the trades were Frolik and a first for Zucker & Brodie/Jankowski for Kadri/Brown.

Your second point is nonsense. You have no idea, none, about what Gaudreau thinks/feels about Tkachuck's deal. There's every reason to believe he's happy for him. Not just because they are probably friends but Tkachuck's qualifing offer in 3 years will only further add to the inflation of the market. The more money other players get paid, the more money Jonny will get paid. Do you really think the idea of another player on the Flames roster would eventually make more money than him hadn't crossed his mind?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Monahan scoring is the least of your concerns with him?

I will concede he is playing a "more complete game" than we've seen in the past. However, he is paid handsomely to be the primary goal scorer on this team, and as such, his lack of production is a significant reason the Flames have spent nearly the entire season trailing.

If he can't provide even a 20 goal pace in his role on the top PP and first line, I struggle to see how this team can get back to being a top team let alone even making the playoffs. It's not like you're actually getting game changing defensive and hard to play against play out of him. We're talking more like average at best now.

With a trade off being a 50% drop in his goal output this year, I'd say the juice isn't at all worth the squeeze.

A guy with his scoring talent that IS STILL getting the looks as his numbers suggest isn't a concern to me no.

Gaudreau who isn't getting the looks is a concern to me.

[Manhattanboy]

Where's Guy? We need Guy with JG on the road trip. Will spring for his hotel bill.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Where's Guy? We need Guy with JG on the road trip. Will spring for his hotel bill.

He was in town for the first month of the season....

[DiracSpike]

Players say they're happy for their teammates the same way a brides single friends say they're happy for her. You're dreaming if professional athletes across all sports don't know exactly how much their teammates and others across the league get paid. Disputes over who gets paid what, hell even who gets more credit, have broken up teams across all leagues and time, it's natural and human. There's a spittin chiclets podcast with Gaudreau and Kevin Hayes that went up the summer after he signed his deal with the Flames where Johnny made a weird comment about his contract, in the vein of not being completely happy with it and what guys were making even a year later. If the Flames sold him a bill of goods that there was a hard Gio cap only to sign a guy that had 22 fewer points than you the year before to more it would irk anyone. Combine that with what his buddy Hayes and all these other RFA's got this summer. All we can do is speculate but something non-physical is clearly wrong with him and that's as good an explanation as anything.

[Manhattanboy]

I know players routinely brush off trade rumours but you have to wonder if this sudden trade talk is also weighing on JG.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Players say they're happy for their teammates the same way a brides single friends say they're happy for her. You're dreaming if professional athletes across all sports don't know exactly how much their teammates and others across the league get paid. Disputes over who gets paid what, hell even who gets more credit, have broken up teams across all leagues and time, it's natural and human. There's a spittin chiclets podcast with Gaudreau and Kevin Hayes that went up the summer after he signed his deal with the Flames where Johnny made a weird comment about his contract, in the vein of not being completely happy with it and what guys were making even a year later. If the Flames sold him a bill of goods that there was a hard Gio cap only to sign a guy that had 22 fewer points than you the year before to more it would irk anyone. Combine that with what his buddy Hayes and all these other RFA's got this summer. All we can do is speculate but something non-physical is clearly wrong with him and that's as good an explanation as anything.

This was Gaudreau on Hayes' signing:

Congrats to my boy @KevinPHayes12 signing huge deal with the Flyers!!! Philly gonna love him!

[868904]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Players say they're happy for their teammates the same way a brides single friends say they're happy for her. You're dreaming if professional athletes across all sports don't know exactly how much their teammates and others across the league get paid. Disputes over who gets paid what, hell even who gets more credit, have broken up teams across all leagues and time, it's natural and human. There's a spittin chiclets podcast with Gaudreau and Kevin Hayes that went up the summer after he signed his deal with the Flames where Johnny made a weird comment about his contract, in the vein of not being completely happy with it and what guys were making even a year later. If the Flames sold him a bill of goods that there was a hard Gio cap only to sign a guy that had 22 fewer points than you the year before to more it would irk anyone. Combine that with what his buddy Hayes and all these other RFA's got this summer. All we can do is speculate but something non-physical is clearly wrong with him and that's as good an explanation as anything.

The Gio cap was andnis dumb and should never be brought up in a negotiation as you completely handcuff yourself. You can set arbitrary limits and all but it should never be based on another player.

Having said that, they need to trade Johnny if that is what is bothering him. You can’t have your supposed leaders being that selfish. Course, we don’t know if that is the case as it’s all speculation but if Johnny ever hinted at this being the issue, then you tell him to start playing well again and we will trade you when your value is back up.

I honestly don’t think this is the issue. I think he’s just suffering from PTSD from the playoffs last year and he isn’t dealing with the pressure very well. Remember all the chances he had in the playoffs to make a difference and he failed every time. That is what is messing with his brain. He needs to just let it go and play like the game is fun again.