[Rumour] TSN: Peters status. Shake up trade. Hamonic's future

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

For something that's not going to happen, there sure are a lot media people talking about trading gaudreau.

Not much talk of dealing anyone else from the core group, just a bunch of plugged in media guys talking about a single player.

Weird.

Sounds like Tre is sniffing around to see what the market is. Nobody overpays he stays.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Sounds like Tre is sniffing around to see what the market is. Nobody overpays he stays.

Sounds like everyone knows what's going on and no one can say anything yet.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Hamonic reminds me of Glencross in the sense that he was once underpaid and now feels entitled to cash in. In the meantime, the game has changed, and he might have a hard time finding a gig next summer. Terrible trade - try to salvage what you can by flipping him for picks.

Might have a hard time finding a gig next summer?

Man some of you are out to lunch on Hamonic and his value

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's worth noting that Giordano is playing well below his Norris level of last season. It's hard to say how much of this is due to another year on the odometer and how much of it is him being caught up in the collective swoon by most of the roster...

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I would say that Giordano has been pretty bad to start the season. He doesn't get a pass from me that's for sure.

Could it be his defense partners?

Since Giordano last played with Brodie on the top pairing he has picked up 1 assist in four games and is a minus-2, splitting time with Hamonic and Andersson. I just don't think anyone else is consistently as good on the top pairing as Brodie has proven to be. For all his warts, he remains far and away the best option to play with Giordano.

[Strange Brew]

A Norris trophy winner needs to be an elite player no matter who his partners are.

Cripes look at how well MacKinnon is playing with his linemates out. The Flames just don't have that type of player it would seem.

[Fischy13]

I really feel that the Flames are suffering from a few things:

Players "traded" that remain
Frolik, Brodie, Jankowski, Bennett - Can't be much motivation to play for a team that had traded you and now you're expected to give it your all when you know you aren't wanted. Professionals or not, that has to have some impact.

Tkachuk getting paid:
I strongly feel JG is being a little whiner and pouting that Tkachuk was paid above the "Gio" cap that was used effectively to keep him at a reasonable number. It's the big ole FU to the team, "I had to come in less, and then you bend for him?". Right or wrong, this is probably weighing on the situation.

Smith and Neal:
While Neal didn't pan out here, I think he had the attitude (more so Smith I think) to get these guys out of the whoa is me mentality and pull up their panties when things get tough. Smith had that, his glares, he held people accountable. Neal I thought had that, but he pouted like the best of them when he wasn't gifted top 2 line minutes.

[Toonage]

^ When was Bennett traded?

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ When was Bennett traded?

He was long rumored in many deal, but at the least the Zucker and or Kadri deals, not?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

He was long rumored in many deal, but at the least the Zucker and or Kadri deals, not?

I don’t think he was rumored to be involved in either of those by a legit source

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ When was Bennett traded?

Bennett was rumored going to Minnesota as part of the Zucker trade, I believe. I think it was shot down because the Flames wanted to trade Frolik instead.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

He was long rumored in many deal, but at the least the Zucker and or Kadri deals, not?

Nope.

Zucker was for Frolik and a 1st.

Kadri and Brown for Brodie and Jankowski.

Bennett has not been linked in any deals.

[Toonage]

I think his name came up in talks about revisiting the Zucker deal (talks meaning guys like Dave Pagnotta) but the guys who knew they were as good as gone were Jankowski, Frolik & Brodie.

[Strange Brew]

While I have no knowledge of whether Gaudreau is unhappy and wants out, I am as certain as any outsider can be that he has no issue with what Tkachuk is making.

[Bingo]

I honestly don't know why I'm so calm about all this ... but I think it was the playoffs last year that made me think "this is broken", and "they're either going to fix this or they're not"

So yeah if they came out storming this year it would be fun, but I'd have this nagging feeling that something wasn't sorted out yet.

Now they bottom out in November and either gut check, change their style and become a team that can handle adversity and the ramp up come April ... or they won't and the team will re-tool.

The good news for me is the fact that this isn't a 34/28/12 hang on phase, the team has plenty of good young players, if they move a player to change the room they're not starting over.

They have their picks this year too (minus a 4th I think) so there's that.

One way or another just figure out what you have this year and act accordingly in a measured and process driven way.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A Norris trophy winner needs to be an elite player no matter who his partners are.

Cripes look at how well MacKinnon is playing with his linemates out. The Flames just don't have that type of player it would seem.

To be fair, only two other teams really have a player like that.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I honestly don't know why I'm so calm about all this ... but I think it was the playoffs last year that made me think "this is broken", and "they're either going to fix this or they're not"

So yeah if they came out storming this year it would be fun, but I'd have this nagging feeling that something wasn't sorted out yet.

Now they bottom out in November and either gut check, change their style and become a team that can handle adversity and the ramp up come April ... or they won't and the team will re-tool.

The good news for me is the fact that this isn't a 34/28/12 hang on phase, the team has plenty of good young players, if they move a player to change the room they're not starting over.

They have their picks this year too (minus a 4th I think) so there's that.

One way or another just figure out what you have this year and act accordingly in a measured and process driven way.

My biggest comfort thus far is we have draft picks this year if things go sideways.

That being said, my biggest fear is we use those picks to make a desperation trade that won't alter the course of this season and keep us plodding on the same course we've been on for what feels like 30 years.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

My view too.

Harder to play against, seeing the ice better, face off % up, ... just isn't finishing which is the last of my concerns about him.

Monahan scoring is the least of your concerns with him?

I will concede he is playing a "more complete game" than we've seen in the past. However, he is paid handsomely to be the primary goal scorer on this team, and as such, his lack of production is a significant reason the Flames have spent nearly the entire season trailing.

If he can't provide even a 20 goal pace in his role on the top PP and first line, I struggle to see how this team can get back to being a top team let alone even making the playoffs. It's not like you're actually getting game changing defensive and hard to play against play out of him. We're talking more like average at best now.

With a trade off being a 50% drop in his goal output this year, I'd say the juice isn't at all worth the squeeze.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

My biggest comfort thus far is we have draft picks this year if things go sideways.

That being said, my biggest fear is we use those picks to make a desperation trade that won't alter the course of this season and keep us plodding on the same course we've been on for what feels like 30 years.

That's my fear too. The one thing that's increasing in value as this slide continues is the Flames 1st round pick. With it being so hard to make moves, and the need to make one increasing, this is the easiest chip to play for the Flames if they wish to
a) maker a big move
b) package salary out at the same time

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I honestly don't know why I'm so calm about all this ... but I think it was the playoffs last year that made me think "this is broken", and "they're either going to fix this or they're not"

So yeah if they came out storming this year it would be fun, but I'd have this nagging feeling that something wasn't sorted out yet.

Now they bottom out in November and either gut check, change their style and become a team that can handle adversity and the ramp up come April ... or they won't and the team will re-tool.

The good news for me is the fact that this isn't a 34/28/12 hang on phase, the team has plenty of good young players, if they move a player to change the room they're not starting over.

They have their picks this year too (minus a 4th I think) so there's that.

One way or another just figure out what you have this year and act accordingly in a measured and process driven way.

I think I’ve come around to a similar train of thought.

I look at Colorado, and how they exploded one year and then tumbled back down through the standings. Is Gaudreau our Duchene?

As you’ve pointed out, simply from a selling perspective this team is incredibly well positioned. Brodie, Hamonic, Talbot, Frolik as pending UFAs - it’s not wild to think that we could be looking at two 1st round picks, and then two picks in that 5th-7th round range.

Then Treliving continues to assess who fits and who doesn’t going forward, and what he needs to improve upon (Centre depth?, general organizational depth as a whole).

I’m a season ticket holder, and never miss games - and I’d be far happier to see the team sell pieces this year and restructure a few things then double down on what I now think is a fundamentally flawed roster structure.

It being one of those “deep” drafts also gives me hope.

[Joborule]

As been mentioned a lot on this forum already, if there's a year to be a massive disappointment and suck, this is it. The team has assets they can use to acclimate a fair chunk of picks in a draft that's suppose to be pretty good. With the pending UFA's coming off the books, the Flames can enter the off season with several early round picks in their cupboards, and cap space to work with. And the core doesn't have to be burned down to the earth in order to pull it off.

Just as long as Treliving doesn't trade any of the draft picks (unless they are late rounders) and keep most of our primary prospects, this mess can have silver lining at least. Just ride out the season, and focus on the upcoming years.