[News] UPD: Rieder clears, appears to be staying in Calgary

[Cali Panthers Fan]

30 days of cap/roster flexibility if needed. Savvy move by Treliving, although it probably doesn't make Rieder feel great, but perhaps he will be motivated to show he belongs on the team.

Guys who make teams on PTOs need to recognize that they were lucky to get a contract in the first place and they shouldn't rest on their laurels. Where's is Andy MacDonald these days?

[Toonage]

Rieder is what he is and I think he's played up to that.

Speedy, defensively sound, generates chances with his limited minutes. If anything I would try him up with Monahan & Bennett before I tried Quine.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Rieder is what he is and I think he's played up to that.

Speedy, defensively sound, generates chances with his limited minutes. If anything I would try him up with Monahan & Bennett before I tried Quine.

Don't agree.

Quine is more of an nhler than janko imo.

I view Quine a bit like Derek Ryan frankly.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Don't agree.

Quine is more of an nhler than janko imo.

I view Quine a bit like Derek Ryan frankly.

I was comparing Rieder to Quine in a 2L role. Rider would be more suited to it.

I won't argue that Quine is more of an NHLer than Jankowski and should be the 4C

[Ozy_Flame]

Quine is more of an impact player than Rieder or Jankowski, he deserves to be on the main team. He also brings a jam this team needs on the ice. Very much reminds me of Derek Ryan too, as Flash mentioned.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I was comparing Rieder to Quine in a 2L role. Rider would be more suited to it.

I won't argue that Quine is more of an NHLer than Jankowski and should be the 4C

I think if the Flames gave Quine the same opportunity in that spot as anyone else he would produce similar amounts of offense.

He had 5 points in 13 games last year.

Lucic has 3 points in 13 games this year.

I've been trying to see what other people are seeing in Reider and I just don't get it.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think you guys are over-reacting.
He is a fringe NHLer. Nothing more. Nothing less.
A single goal isn't going to change that.
Using this transaction as some sort of evidence of the team "flailing" is weird.

timing just seems weird/stupid to me. You signed the guy, expecting that he is more than what he showed last year.

He finally gets a huge monkey off his back, a potential momentum builder for a player, and he's immediately scratched, and then put on the waiver wire before ever hitting the ice again.

As a manager, this just seems like a terrible way to drive employee engagement.

Is it a big deal, as far as the overall team success? Of course not (what I think you are alluding to as far as "overreacting").

But if the intention is to execute on a strategy to get return on a asset the team allocated $/cap to, it just seems like a not-so-smart strategy to me.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gio was an undrafted free agent.

I don't think this is mutually exclusive with being a PTO. I seem to remember that's how Gio got is start, but I could be wrong.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think you guys are over-reacting.
He is a fringe NHLer. Nothing more. Nothing less.
A single goal isn't going to change that.
Using this transaction as some sort of evidence of the team "flailing" is weird.

Yeah exactly.

He could have been had for free by any team in the first week of October, they likely looked at injuries etc around the league and felt this was the right time to clear him through and give themselves the flexibility to try other Stockton players out with an option.

If they lost him they likely would have had a chance to claim someone almost identical within weeks.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think if the Flames gave Quine the same opportunity in that spot as anyone else he would produce similar amounts of offense.

He had 5 points in 13 games last year.

Lucic has 3 points in 13 games this year.

I've been trying to see what other people are seeing in Reider and I just don't get it.

I think you have to be careful with sample size on things like this.

Quine is a tweener, got a few bounces and had 5 points in 13 games, but his underlying numbers suggest he was near the team in a lot of metrics that measure what was happening when he was on the ice.

Only Lomberg and Rychel moved the needle less when it comes to expected goal production rates.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think you have to be careful with sample size on things like this.

Quine is a tweener, got a few bounces and had 5 points in 13 games, but his underlying numbers suggest he was near the team in a lot of metrics that measure what was happening when he was on the ice.

Only Lomberg and Rychel moved the needle less when it comes to expected goal production rates.

I agree to an extent but I"m going to your put your sample size thang down, flip it and reverse it.

Quine played basically exclusively in a position of being a callup without any familiarity in the lineup.

Much like it took Mangiapane a series of games to get into the flow of things, I think the same could be said for Quine.

Not to say that I think he's anything special, I just think he's better than Reider in terms of something tangible when playing with better players up the lineup.

[bubbsy]

from Eklund...

Tobias Rieder Cleared Waivers, but Sabres may have interest via trade. More to come

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

from Eklund...

Montour is close to returning, so maybe they move John Gilmour who has barely played. Would give the Heat some blueline depth

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Montour is close to returning, so maybe they move John Gilmour who has barely played. Would give the Heat some blueline depth

A+ speculation

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

30 days of cap/roster flexibility if needed. Savvy move by Treliving, although it probably doesn't make Rieder feel great, but perhaps he will be motivated to show he belongs on the team.

Sorry, but there's nothing savvy about this and there is no need to praise a GM for it. It's a meh move that offers next to nothing. Rieder is a fringe guy and if they had lost him it wouldn't have meant much, if anything. Keeping him means pretty much nothing as well.


Just a move that's only newsworthy because it involves a Flame.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I agree to an extent but I"m going to your put your sample size thang down, flip it and reverse it.

Quine played basically exclusively in a position of being a callup without any familiarity in the lineup.

Much like it took Mangiapane a series of games to get into the flow of things, I think the same could be said for Quine.

Not to say that I think he's anything special, I just think he's better than Reider in terms of something tangible when playing with better players up the lineup.

For sure ... agree completely, and I'm not driving a stake in the guy at all.

But generally when I see a small sample size that says a tweener is driving play I like to see him get a longer look. 13 games isn't a weekend so he was a) up and playing and b) playing a role he would be playing if he stayed (bottom six / fourth line) and got filled in for the most part.

To me that's more telling than 5 points in 13 games.

He's certainly off to a good start in those terms this year though.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sorry, but there's nothing savvy about this and there is no need to praise a GM for it. It's a meh move that offers next to nothing. Rieder is a fringe guy and if they had lost him it wouldn't have meant much, if anything. Keeping him means pretty much nothing as well.


Just a move that's only newsworthy because it involves a Flame.

Maybe, maybe not. He could be, or wants to be working on a trade that could take some time to develop that also would require us to send someone to the AHL at the last minute to make space. Either cap or roster. They’re going to need to make every minute of every day’s cap management pin point precise this year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

timing just seems weird/stupid to me. You signed the guy, expecting that he is more than what he showed last year.

He finally gets a huge monkey off his back, a potential momentum builder for a player, and he's immediately scratched, and then put on the waiver wire before ever hitting the ice again.

As a manager, this just seems like a terrible way to drive employee engagement.

Is it a big deal, as far as the overall team success? Of course not (what I think you are alluding to as far as "overreacting").

But if the intention is to execute on a strategy to get return on a asset the team allocated $/cap to, it just seems like a not-so-smart strategy to me.

You signed him for the type of depth that you need through a full 82 game season.
And you are over-stating the impact of one goal at a meaningless point of a game already lost.
I suspect that management consider that to be a complete non factor - as they should

His goal was a nice little story.
But that's it.
in reality it meant absolutely nothing.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect the price for Calgary was probably Valimaki + 1st.

Speculation in media was Valimaki, Andersson a 1st and a 2nd. We never do that deal imo.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

from Eklund...

Marcus Johansson would be ideal, more salary than just Rieder would need to be added on the Flames side to do the deal.