Keep, Trade, Re-sign, Let walk, Buyout, Fire, Indifferent

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can think off the top of my head four games that Brodie's blunders cost us. That is 8 points which would put us two points up on the Kings. I am not saying the reason we are missing the playoffs is soley on Brodie but he certainly was one of the reasons why.

What nonsense,,,,,,,,,,,I can think of 4 games that goaltender blunders cost us.

[Frostbeard]

Here goes mine.

I think it is time for a new coaching staff.

Trades:

Kulak for Oleksiak. Pittsburgh may do this trade because Oleksiak is an RFA and I don't think they have the cap space to sign him. Kulak provides a cheaper RFA option for their bottom pairing and Kulak's asset is his skating and Pittsburgh seems to play a fast style of hockey.

Bennett for Wilson + 2nd. I think Washington would consider this for salary cap reasons. Wilson is also an RFA, whereas Bennett is signed for one more season for less than 2M (the reason for the added pick). This provides Washington with a highly skilled player who may benefit from a change of scenery for a player they may not be able to sign this off season.

Brouwer + Stone for Nyquist. I think Detroit may consider this option, as it was rumoured they were trying to trade Nyquist at the trade deadline. It looks like they have a lot of aged players on their roster who will be retiring soon and they could use Brouwer and Stone through their rebuild. Prior to Calgary, Brouwer scored around 20 goals for 7 straight seasons and Stone can play top 4 minutes for them.

Let walk: Versteeg, Glass, Hrivik, Stewart, Bartkowski.

Lines:

Gaudreau Monahan Nyquist
Tkachuk Backlund Frolik
Ferland Jankowski Wilson
Lazar Shore Hathaway
Stajan

Giordano Hamilton
Oleksiak Hamonic
Brodie Andersson
Wotherspoon

Smith
Rittich

I think this line-up is balanced, scores more goals and is a lot tougher to play against, with a heavy and fairly talented third line and a fourth line that can be relentless on the forecheck. I think Hamonic would excel playing with Oleksiak and that pairing would be defensively sound, where as Brodie and Andersson I think could be used in a more offensive role as a third pairing.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by wired

I am so done with the lack of heart in Johnny. Sure the kid can score, but he quits on plays so often if he gets a slash or a check.
At least sit the kid for a game or two.

He's tiny, what do you want him to do, drop the gloves and start hitting guys? Would that demonstrate heart? He can't do that, and he never will. Just because he's not out there mucking it up doesn't mean he lacks heart. He gets pissed off on a regular basis because he cares. He wants to win and he does everything in his power to win.

What an utterly absurd statement. He's arguably the most skilled and exciting player in the league. He's been in contention for the Art Ross all season and you want to sit him?

I'm not even sorry to say this, your opinion is stupid.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And we have hit insanity mode here when people start talking about dealing our franchise player. Johnny is all heart, you can see the emotion and how bad he wants to win. I never see this quit you speak of.

I have a hard time believing that troll from Edmonton is a Flames fan anyway...

[saXon]

Apart from Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, and I guess Backlund... The Flames forward group is pretty meh. Maybe except for Jankowski, I could care less about the rest coming back.

Even Monahan is pretty dull to watch unless he's potting a goal. He's not a fast skater, he's not a heavy hitter, he's got next to no grit. But he's got a consistency that is unmatched.

[yourbestfriend]

I love Simmonds as a player, however I don't think he is the right fit for Calgary. We already have a bunch of guys who score the majority of their goals from within 10ft from the net - Monahan, Tkachuk and Brouwer(lol)
We don't really need any more net front and slot scorers. Having a team built with players who score in completely different ways make it harder for teams to adjust.
We need a pure shooter ie. Neal and Hoffman type players

[flamesfan1297]

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - indifferent
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep; untouchable#
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep#
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable#

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - buyout#
67 Michael Frolik - trade
21 Garnet Hathaway - indifferent
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - keep

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - keep (put on his good side)
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable#
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - indifferent

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire#
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - indifferent#
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent#
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - indifferent#
GM: Brad Treliving - keep

I copied the OP and put my changes in bold

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

I love Simmonds as a player, however I don't think he is the right fit for Calgary. We already have a bunch of guys who score the majority of their goals from within 10ft from the net - Monahan, Tkachuk and Brouwer(lol)
We don't really need any more net front and slot scorers. Having a team built with players who score in completely different ways make it harder for teams to adjust.
We need a pure shooter ie. Neal and Hoffman type players

Not only that, but from my understanding Simmonds has a 12 team no trade clause. I would bet Calgary is definitely on that list.

[Flamefan1]

Dump Gully, Cameron & Jerrard - highest priority.

Keep core of team other than Hamilton. I think Hamilton becomes our 1 & 2nd round draft choices in the 2018 draft. Dougy is talented but has no heart, no drive and as a result takes needless lazy penalties. A new coach needs to reunite Gio and Brodie. To trade Brodie now would not make sense as the return wold be smaller than his value. It is time to trade Frolik. The team played well with Frolik and Brouwer in the sick Bay. IMO Bennett will be worth the wait and will improve under a new coach.

Do not resign Stajan, Glass and our 7th d. Do resign Wotherspoon and give him a chance to show his abilities before he is picked up by another team who will give him a chance. Start Anderson with Stone or Kulak and have Wotherspoon as #7He looked fine in the playoffs 3 years ago.Also re-sign Shore to replace Stajan. Keep Lazar and Hathaway on 4th with Shore.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

Dump Gully, Cameron & Jerrard - highest priority.

Keep core of team other than Hamilton. I think Hamilton becomes our 1 & 2nd round draft choices in the 2018 draft. Dougy is talented but has no heart, no drive and as a result takes needless lazy penalties. A new coach needs to reunite Gio and Brodie. To trade Brodie now would not make sense as the return wold be smaller than his value. It is time to trade Frolik. The team played well with Frolik and Brouwer in the sick Bay. IMO Bennett will be worth the wait and will improve under a new coach.

Do not resign Stajan, Glass and our 7th d. Do resign Wotherspoon and give him a chance to show his abilities before he is picked up by another team who will give him a chance. Start Anderson with Stone or Kulak and have Wotherspoon as #7He looked fine in the playoffs 3 years ago.Also re-sign Shore to replace Stajan. Keep Lazar and Hathaway on 4th with Shore.

Yeah, let's trade our 24 year old RH defenseman who leads the league in defenseman goals for less than what we paid to acquire him three years ago and replace him with Tyler Wotherspoon. That sounds like a great idea and definitely won't set our franchise back at all.

Between this beauty post and the "trade Johnny because he has no heart" post I think I might have to step away from this thread for a bit. Things are just getting stupid now.

[Roof-Daddy]

1. Don't make any big changes to the top half of the roster unless by some miracle you can sign Tavares.

2. Don't make any changes to the coaching staff unless it's a clear upgrade, like Q becoming available for example. Hard to be patient in these situations but change for the sake of change might not be the smartest move.

3. Find a way to improve the bottom half of the roster, especially the bottom six forwards. Need a lot more speed and skill. The depth up front is the biggest weakness on this team IMO.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Frostbeard

....and a fourth line that can be relentless on the forecheck.....

Query why such a 4th line that would be so effective isn't used now, when those players are available to Calgary and their 3rd-4th lines are likely the weakest part of their team?

[taco.vidal]

How about Ken King? Can we dump him too?

[Frostbeard]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Query why such a 4th line that would be so effective isn't used now, when those players are available to Calgary and their 3rd-4th lines are likely the weakest part of their team?

I've thought Lazar and Hathaway have looked good this year, and a reduced role for Hathaway on the fourth line would limit the expectation that he put up points on the 3rd line, where he currently plays. Shore has looked very responsible as a centre in the games he has played for the flames. I don't think that these 3 players are the weakest part of the team at all, and all play with a lot of energy that can wear down an opponent's defense.

The third line with Ferland and Wilson would address the weak part of the roster, providing a heavier 3rd line that I could see scoring a lot more goals while providing a much needed physical presence to the team.

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[Dajazz]

Ferland - Jankowski - Bennett or a combination thereof is a viable third line and could/should score 40-50 goals
Tkackuk - Backlund - Frolik is a a good second line (asked to handle tougher minutes) that should score 50 goals
Gaudreau - Monahan - .... is 2/3 of a line. That's not gonna fly, but assume the winger hits 20 we are looking at >70 goals
Lazar - Shore - Brouwer is not a horrible fourth line and could score 20 goals

Gio - Hamilton is a top top top pairing, they should score 25
Brodie - Hamonic is a not so good second pairing, but should hit 10
Kulak - Stone is not a bad third pairing and should hit 5

Smith is a good goalie
Rittich has some big questionmarks, but appears to handle a limited back up role

If I look at it this way, the roster isn't bad, and should/could score 240-250 goals assuming 0 injuries (I haven't counted replacement scoring anyway). League average is around 240.

So where did it all go wrong? I was conservative in my goals expectation. We're on pace for 225 goals, maybe less with the latest pace.

Its pretty obvious that we are missing 20 goals from a top nine winger on the right side. Our second line is expected to hit the target, so is our third line, even our fourth, but the right side is a glaring hole.

And yea, we need to fire GG in to the sun first, but a top nine winger and a new coach will go a long way.

[dieHARDflameZ]

First and foremost I would listen to offers for anybody on the team not named Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Giordano.

With that said, I wouldn’t be actively shopping anybody other than Brodie, I just think he needs a change of scenery.

I think they need to find a way to get Andersson some games next season and if that means moving one of the three RHD, than so be it.

I would seriously consider signing Ryan Reaves for your fourth line RW position. He can skate, hit and would be awesome to have in the lineup against teams like the Oilers, Ducks, Kings and Sharks. He’s also not a defensive liability.

The #1 need this summer is a top 6 if not top 3 scoring right winger, no idea who that may be.

[dissentowner]

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - let walk
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep; untouchable
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep unless can be packaged with Brodie for top RW
79 Micheal Ferland - trade
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - try and trade
67 Michael Frolik - trade
21 Garnet Hathaway - let walk
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - let walk

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - trade for sure
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - trade

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - fire
GM: Brad Treliving - keep

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Brick

Matthew Tkachuk is the only real untouchable on the Flames.

More so than our 90+ point guy locked in for under 7 mil for the next 4 seasons? Okay. Pass the pipe.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

More so than our 90+ point guy locked in for under 7 mil for the next 4 seasons? Okay. Pass the pipe.

When has he gotten over 90 points?

[Willi Plett]

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - keep or walk depends on AHL needs
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep, untouchable

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - trade/keep/buyout (if need cap space)
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - keep
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - let walk

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - keep/trade
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep, untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep/trade
61 Brett Kulak - keep/trade
26 Michael Stone - keep/trade

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire - it's obvious. Wanted, veteran coach, master of modern systems, master motivator. Please take key to gold storage in Saddledome basement (it has dried out and now reopened)
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire - see above. Signing bonus to head coach who can attract associate/assistant who is a power play master ala Rierdon.
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire - goes with those guys
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent - would have been my interim coach
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - fire - goalie killer. Sean Burke back up the brinks truck. Vault is open.
GM: Brad Treliving - keep/fire - unless his hands were tied on a coaching change it is fire him. Can't support keeping the coach(es) when the players stopped playing for them. Personally thought coach should have been fired a very long time ago.

Players marked keep/trade are pieces I'd like to use to try to upgrade RW. Kilington, Fox, Gillies, Parsons also available for the upgrade to RW. Wanted big skilled right shot who can play PP. Mantha type Would also like a 2nd RW who could play 3rd line and put up some goals. Willing to shuffle roster around if I could get a C instead that pushes everyone down/over. O'Reilly type. My no trade list is very short. Tkachuk, Hamilton, Gaudreau, Valimaki, Giordano. Don't want to trade Bennett or Ferland but if the package back is the right fit it is the right fit.