[News Roundup] Treliving and the trade deadline

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ah123

I am expecting Poirier, Klimchuk and/or Shinkaruk to be traded for picks. I can see a rebuilding team being interested in Poirier or Shinkaruk, as a placeholder while their own prospects mature in the AHL

That ship has sailed I'm afraid.

[David Struch]

Flames GM recaps the day and the moves the team made

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[Badgers Nose]

BT's best move is a coaching change in the off season.

GG is MacTavish territory. Short of a cup run he won't be back next season.

If BT doesn't want to fire him, then BB should fire BT.

Time's a wasting on this crop. Time goes fast when you are just good enough to miss every year but never bad enough to blow it up.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

BT's best move is a coaching change in the off season.

GG is MacTavish territory. Short of a cup run he won't be back next season.

If BT doesn't want to fire him, then BB should fire BT.

Time's a wasting on this crop. Time goes fast when you are just good enough to miss every year but never bad enough to blow it up.

I get that people don't like Gulutzan, but foisting these sorts of ultimatums upon management is doing nothing but setting yourselves up for massive disappointment.

Whether you like but or not, the likelihood is high that the Flames will open training camp with Gulutzan behind the bench. I think it is possible that he is let go if they miss the playoffs, but based on every indication of how this management team operates it would come as a surprise. There is NO CHANCE Gulutzan is fired if the Flames win a playoff round, and an infinitesimally small chance that he is let go if they lose in the first round.

[The Boy Wonder]

The problem is that this team could be doing so much better. On paper we have such a skilled team. In reality, for various and myriad reasons they are a bubble team.

Goaltending aside, I think GG fails to get the most out of the personnel he has, and I liken t to soccer where managers come in and fit their tactics and systems to the players you have, you ask management to bring in players that fit your system but if that doesn’t happen then you need to design a system that gets the most out of your players given their skill sets.

There appears to be too much trying to force players into systems that are fine and do the trick and make you a bubble team, but they don’t push you over the top

Edit: let alone the in game tactics and line usage etc

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I get that people don't like Gulutzan, but foisting these sorts of ultimatums upon management is doing nothing but setting yourselves up for massive disappointment.

Whether you like but or not, the likelihood is high that the Flames will open training camp with Gulutzan behind the bench. I think it is possible that he is let go if they miss the playoffs, but based on every indication of how this management team operates it would come as a surprise. There is NO CHANCE Gulutzan is fired if the Flames win a playoff round, and an infinitesimally small chance that he is let go if they lose in the first round.

OK, you are right that bar is pretty high. I can get behind that.

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BT's best move is a coaching change in the off season.

GG is in MacTavish territory. Short of a playoff round win he won't be back next season.

If BT doesn't want to fire him, then BB should fire BT.

Time's a wasting on this crop. Time goes fast when you are just good enough to miss every year but never bad enough to blow it up.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

The problem is that this team could be doing so much better. On paper we have such a skilled team. In reality, for various and myriad reasons they are a bubble team.

Goaltending aside, I think GG fails to get the most out of the personnel he has, and I liken t to soccer where managers come in and fit their tactics and systems to the players you have, you ask management to bring in players that fit your system but if that doesn’t happen then you need to design a system that gets the most out of your players given their skill sets.

There appears to be too much trying to force players into systems that are fine and do the trick and make you a bubble team, but they don’t push you over the top

Edit: let alone the in game tactics and line usage etc

Top 5 team in scoring chances
Gaudreau/Monahan/Hamilton heading for career years

OK ...

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Flames were heavily scouting other teams. Conroy's comments they were interested in making a hockey trade and were willing to move one of their roster players to do it.

I have heard Treliving say more than once he knows what the team is missing but that getting it is the hard part. I find it hard to believe he wasn't trying to make a deal to improve the team going forward.

What do you think?

Actually I forgot about Conroy's comments. It does seem they were certainly open to it. Probably had an idea of who they wanted and were trying to work something out along those lines.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

The problem is that this team could be doing so much better. On paper we have such a skilled team. In reality, for various and myriad reasons they are a bubble team.

On paper this team is, from my view, about as talented as most of the NHL but certainly not distinctly more talented.

There are some very nice pieces, but if I stack this roster up against most of the NHL it seems to be about the same. And as most teams have, there are some very weak spots, namely the RW.

So why do you think it should be doing "so much better"?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

The problem is that this team could be doing so much better. On paper we have such a skilled team. In reality, for various and myriad reasons they are a bubble team.

Goaltending aside, I think GG fails to get the most out of the personnel he has, and I liken t to soccer where managers come in and fit their tactics and systems to the players you have, you ask management to bring in players that fit your system but if that doesn’t happen then you need to design a system that gets the most out of your players given their skill sets.

There appears to be too much trying to force players into systems that are fine and do the trick and make you a bubble team, but they don’t push you over the top

Edit: let alone the in game tactics and line usage etc

Yes, this is is what I was clumsily getting at.

This team should not need the best year of Smith's career just to make the playoffs. With their offense, and the vaunted D, this team should be riding that kind of season to a banner of some kind.

I'm angry right now because a waiver wire's welcome to the team is first line minutes. One more annoyance is a season of really strange lineup choices and beating dead Brouwers (PP).

I don't dislike GG, I hate some of his choices and his inability to really get this team going. He needs to be in his players heads all year not once a year (train ride). In their heads as in knowing their game mental state and motivation levels.

Can we honestly say he gets the most from this team?

If the media speculation on the summer coaching market is right, then there might be some great ones available. What other change can BT make that would have a bigger improvement?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Top 5 team in scoring chances
Gaudreau/Monahan/Hamilton heading for career years

OK ...

That many career years and still just bubble team? Really?

Would a consistent PP and PK not be on the coaches? The players are playing amazing, you said it yourself. How does Brouwer on the PP help these elites players? When it doesn't work, why stick with it for half a season?

What about the home record? What does that tell us (honest question)?

Why did the D struggle this year despite the upgrade? Is Hamonic terrible? No. This is one of the top three defense lineups in the league (or it should have been).

So some incredible years from a dozen plus players and just a bubble team.

I think what you are saying is the players did their jobs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

The problem is that this team could be doing so much better. On paper we have such a skilled team. In reality, for various and myriad reasons they are a bubble team.

Goaltending aside, I think GG fails to get the most out of the personnel he has, and I liken t to soccer where managers come in and fit their tactics and systems to the players you have, you ask management to bring in players that fit your system but if that doesn’t happen then you need to design a system that gets the most out of your players given their skill sets.

There appears to be too much trying to force players into systems that are fine and do the trick and make you a bubble team, but they don’t push you over the top

Edit: let alone the in game tactics and line usage etc

The solution seems clear. Gulutzan should abandon his "bubble team system" for an "over-the-top system."

[btimbit]

Does anyone know how long GG's contract is? I could see them not renewing it but unless they miss the playoffs completely I'd be surprised if they actually fire him

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Does anyone know how long GG's contract is? I could see them not renewing it but unless they miss the playoffs completely I'd be surprised if they actually fire him

Rumoured to be 3 years, so one more after this.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I get that people don't like Gulutzan, but foisting these sorts of ultimatums upon management is doing nothing but setting yourselves up for massive disappointment.

Whether you like but or not, the likelihood is high that the Flames will open training camp with Gulutzan behind the bench. I think it is possible that he is let go if they miss the playoffs, but based on every indication of how this management team operates it would come as a surprise. There is NO CHANCE Gulutzan is fired if the Flames win a playoff round, and an infinitesimally small chance that he is let go if they lose in the first round.

Its frustrating, the scenario you mention, but you're right. Reality is the Flames have the 2nd highest producing player in the NHL, a D core that is coming along and could easily be the best D in the league next year with a year of seasoning under their belt. Its continuously mentioned the parity of the league makes it hard to make the playoffs for any team aside from the elite 3 or 4 teams every year. But those elite teams aren't that far off from the mediocre teams due to the cap. The fact that the Flames arent in the bottom of the league ATM and they are playing a somewhat consistent brand of hockey but have a lapse from time to time suggests to me that GG is likely pretty secure in his HC position. If the Flames miss and its due to the PP not keeping them in games or winning them games, then I could see him being let go. But thats really the only scenario I see GG being fired in.. I think anyone thinking he gets fired if the Flames lose out in the first round are going to be disappointed.

Now if a truly better coach is available, then all bets are off... but just because someone on CP feels a better coach will or IS available, doesnt mean they are right and are looking at all the factors.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

On paper this team is, from my view, about as talented as most of the NHL but certainly not distinctly more talented.

There are some very nice pieces, but if I stack this roster up against most of the NHL it seems to be about the same. And as most teams have, there are some very weak spots, namely the RW.

So why do you think it should be doing "so much better"?

I would think the key is, what were the expectation for the Flames (i.e. bubble team, playoff team etc)?

Personally the forwards is the biggest weakness, until that is fixed they won't take the next step.

Home record is plain weird.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The solution seems clear. Gulutzan should abandon his "bubble team system" for an "over-the-top system."

If that’s what you want to call it then yes either that or get a coach who can adapt his system to the personnel he is given.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Rumoured to be 3 years, so one more after this.

Poop. Thought it might have been 2

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Poop. Thought it might have been 2

It's from Capfriendly, but they don't know his salary so I think they are just guessing.

[Oil Stain]

Assuming Mike Smith isn't back in the next 2-3 games I feel like Treliving should have acquired a proven NHL goalie.

No need to sell the farm for one, but an insurance policy in case the two rookies don't excel.

Seems risky to gamble the season on two rookie netminders.