LeBrun: NHL Expansion Draft Parameters Discussion ‘Contentious’

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by cannon7

To address the cap issue, I think that teams should eat some of the cap hit for players they expose.

That would pretty much make it impossible for the expansion teams to hit the cap floor.

[sureLoss]

Kevin Allen's suggestion for the expansion draft:

To give expansion teams a better opportunity for instant success, the NHL should allow existing teams to protect six forwards, four defensemen and one goalie. Only one-year pros should be exempt. Once a team loses a player in the draft, it can protect three more players. No team can lose more than two players. The current general managers won’t love that plan, but it would give expansion teams a good start.

[Poe969]

In other words, no one should be forced to pick an oiler.

If that happens I wonder if before the expansion draft, a team makes a deal to protect other players or not pick from their team or something...

[Jason14h]

Flames go into a much needed rebuild, start acquiring all sorts of nice young assets and all of a sudden it's looking like they're going to open up player exposure in an expansion draft. Not to mention that they change the draft lottery rules too so that the worst teams have less odds at picking high.

Bunch of ****ing baloney IMO.

The Flames have some of the worst depth in the NHL. An expansion draft would hurt us the least

[Poe969]

IF anything, the expansion draft could take away a player this team doesn't need or wants off the team. Who would be the players you protect (assuming it's 6 forwards, 4 D and 1 goalie)?

Six forwards: Johnny, Monahan, Bennett...any big UFA signings this summer, prospects?

D: Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Jokipakka....or Hamonic if we're lucky

G: Kipper?

I guess it would depend on when the expansion draft would happen, it could possibly help the team out....

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The Flames have some of the worst depth in the NHL. An expansion draft would hurt us the least

Maybe if it happened right now, but it won't happen for a year or two. Right when we should be in the up swing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This is all so annoying to me.

Flames go into a much needed rebuild, start acquiring all sorts of nice young assets and all of a sudden it's looking like they're going to open up player exposure in an expansion draft. Not to mention that they change the draft lottery rules too so that the worst teams have less odds at picking high.

Bunch of ****ing baloney IMO.

The changes to the draft lottery odds were a long time coming, but I agree, the timing is terrible. I have faith that it is for the great good though.

But yeah, it would have been nice if that change was in effect all those years we were drafting just outside of the top 5.

[Funkhouser]

Quote:
To give expansion teams a better opportunity for instant success, the NHL should allow existing teams to protect six forwards, four defensemen and one goalie. Only one-year pros should be exempt. Once a team loses a player in the draft, it can protect three more players. No team can lose more than two players. The current general managers won’t love that plan, but it would give expansion teams a good start.

Lets assume the expansion draft takes place next off-season (as expected).

Up-front, Calgary could protect Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Frolik, and 2016 UFA signing. If a top pick makes the team next year they would be exempt as a first year pro. This would leave Stajan, Colbone, Jooris, Hathaway, Bouma, Ferland available. None would be a huge loss.

On D, we could protect Gio, Brodie, Hamilton and Jokipakka, leaving Wideman, Smid, Engelland (all UFAs) and potentially Wotherspoon and Nakladal. Once again, no big loss.

If the draft happens after next off-season, then I will begin to sweat a bit...

[Jason14h]

If the draft happens after next off-season, then I will begin to sweat a bit...

Then you leave Frolik and Backlund exposed.

In 2 years these guys are post-apex players and loosing one isn't the end of the world.
This is the idea to get some decent players to an expansion team.

[Blarg]

It would be awesome if they had expansion teams start drafting in the entry draft a couple of years before they enter the league. Something like the last picks in the first round, and top picks in the rounds after, so that they could have a decent farm system to pull from and subsequently have to draft less players from the expansion draft.

[Lanny_McDonald]

What could be most interesting is the horse trading that will take place before the expansion draft. Teams with a lot of depth will be looking to get something for that depth rather than lose it. For the Flames, with room to spare on their protected list, they could very easily make a deal for an established vet or an up and comer to add to their list. They could manage to grab a goaltender and a RW on the cheap. Another nice thing about the draft rules discussed is most of the Flames best prospects are protected and could not be poached. The Flames are actually in a pretty good position for an expansion draft.

[Vulcan]

I've heard it mentioned that players with 'no trade ' or 'no movement' clauses will need to be honoured. This could mean that such players will need to be put on the protected list. We're in pretty good shape except for Stajan's contract.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I've heard it mentioned that players with 'no trade ' or 'no movement' clauses will need to be honoured. This could mean that such players will need to be put on the protected list. We're in pretty good shape except for Stajan's contract.

Honored may just mean they are precluded from the draft, or the expansion team would have to arrange for the player to waive prior to selecting the player in question. I can't see any way the NHL would force a team to move a player with a clause to a protected list in a dispersal draft. I think that could lead to some ugly lawsuits against the league. I think there will be an expectation of the clauses to be honored, which would mean those players would just be further off the radar for the expansion teams, unless something is negotiated prior to their selection.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The bigger issue with the No Trade/Move clauses isn't that they will be honored. I doubt the NHL would want to go there.

For example:

Say teams can only protect 10 players.

If a team has 5 players with No Trade/No Move clauses, then those 5 may be automatically part of that list, limiting a team with just an additional 5 names.

So, for instance, if the dispersal draft was to be held today, the Flames would be forced to name Wideman, Stajan and whomever else have those clauses to their protected list, and potentially having to expose someone like Backlund.

Teams may have guys with clauses that they would rather get rid of, but instead, may force players they value much more being made available.

[Roof-Daddy]

All of this sounds like a great way for the Kings to somehow get out of cap jail again.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The bigger issue with the No Trade/Move clauses isn't that they will be honored. I doubt the NHL would want to go there.

For example:

Say teams can only protect 10 players.

If a team has 5 players with No Trade/No Move clauses, then those 5 may be automatically part of that list, limiting a team with just an additional 5 names.

So, for instance, if the dispersal draft was to be held today, the Flames would be forced to name Wideman, Stajan and whomever else have those clauses to their protected list, and potentially having to expose someone like Backlund.

Teams may have guys with clauses that they would rather get rid of, but instead, may force players they value much more being made available.

Yeah, I don't expect many NMCs/NTCs being handed out this upcoming UFA period unless that player is elite like Stamkos.

When is the earliest the expansion draft will happen? 2017 off-season? If it's the 2017 off-season, barring any new NMCs or NTCs contracts by the Flames, only Stajan would be a problem for the Flames. Giordano has a NTC but he will be protected in any case. If the expansion draft rules state that we have to protect Stajan and cause us to lose a good player, then the Flames won't have much choice but to buy him out before the draft.

[powderjunkie]

Perhaps full NMC's could be honoured, but not NTC's?

[Roof-Daddy]

After this NEXT season, the only NTC/NMC the Flames have as of now are:

1. Frolik
2. Stajan
3. Gio
4. Brodie

That's it unless they hand any out vis UFA this summer.

Also, my bet is they would buy out Stajan long before being forced to keep him on a protected list over a better, younger player.

[Vulcan]

After this season we'll only owe Stajan $5M over two years so the buyout won't be bad.

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/402

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah it's cheap.