Ongoing Terrorism/ISIS/al Qaeda Thread

[Simon96Taco]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

http://www.news1130.com/2016/01/15/t...ll-identified/

Very good to hear. The following is a comment from a cbc article, apparently by the wife of one of the three men:

Well it's night my side of the world. It's been a long day!
I understood the mall and the police doing their job... I'm happy to see them being so diligent especially in the times we live in.
It was good to see the article about their innocence make it out on to the web.
I'm disheartened by the leaker the reporters and then every news outlet who broadcasted pictures without any evidence of a crime committed hence 'innocent'

Now to answer the questions, One man is my husband another my 14 year old son. The third is a friend travelling with them they are in Vancouver for treatment at the WellSpring clinic for my son who is visually impaired... Hence the photo taking, It helps him to see an image up close. They were looking forward to spending the weekend seeing the sights. Now they don't want to go out because they fear people will recognise them and it may become problematic.

I feel sick at the state of humanity we gossip and want the next big drama without thought to how it affects others lives. Today I worried about my family when I am many miles away at home and they in a foreign country.

I pray that God returns our humanity and soon before we become any more inhumane.

edit: the CBC article :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-6818000002269

[2Stonedbirds]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/bu...tack-1.3407326

[smoothpops]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Isn't this exactly what is happening?

The result of this is going to be disastrous. We're leaving men behind that are trying to escape a horrible situation. not only are we discriminating against them for their gender, we're basically disenfranchising them. In order to survive in Syria, those men are going to have to choose a side, either ISIS or Assad, or the radicals. Either way, this is going to cause problems down the road. why this is being seen as a logical choice is beyond me

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by smoothpops

The result of this is going to be disastrous. We're leaving men behind that are trying to escape a horrible situation. not only are we discriminating against them for their gender, we're basically disenfranchising them. In order to survive in Syria, those men are going to have to choose a side, either ISIS or Assad, or the radicals. Either way, this is going to cause problems down the road. why this is being seen as a logical choice is beyond me

This is going to sound callous, but people are acting as though there has never been war before. A combination of social media and a younger generation that has a near-absolute ignorance of history is causing this perpetual crisis mode, where a civil war in Syria is treated as though its an unprecedented disaster. Use the internet. Look up a year - any year. 1979. 1968. 1956. 1985. There was probably a war going on big or bigger than Syria today.

There will always be wars. There will always be refugees. It would be folly for Western countries to adopt a policy that we're responsible for taking in all young men displaced by war. The reason there are more refugees today than in the past isn't because wars or worse - it's because the people in war zones today have more money and more contacts abroad to make flight to Europe feasible.

I'm okay with a careful, modest intake of select refugees. It's good for the economy and its gives refuge to people who need it. But that's a far cry from the assumption that we're obliged to take in all people displaced by conflict. Our social systems, or society could not handle it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is going to sound callous, but people are acting as though there has never been war before. A combination of social media and a younger generation that has a near-absolute ignorance of history is causing this perpetual crisis mode,

Sure, callous is one word, but I can think of a couple others.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Sure, callous is one word, but I can think of a couple others.

Don't hold back - I can take it.

But I'd like to hear how many of the 50 million people displaced by war every year you think Canada should take in. 10,000? 100,000? 1 million?

Canada is one of the most generous countries in the world at taking in refugees. That's something to be proud of. I don't see the point in beating ourselves up over the fact we're selective about who we allow in.

[RougeUnderoos]

LOL I'm a youngster so one billion! Compassion and empathy were invented by facebook in the 2000s, when war was invented I think.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Either young people are stupid and just don't realize that war has always been a problem, or they just happen to be way more globally connected and have way more power than before as a result of social media, and are now doing their part to try to fix issues that were pushed to the side or unheard of among past generations... or perhaps we're more vested in this conflict as a result of the terrorist attacks taking place on Western soil? Nah, we're just soft and cuddly and want to hand out hugs to everyone. I guess our parents shouldn't have given out so many participation awards!

Maybe it isn't a bad thing that we aren't taking the problems of Mesopotamia lightly? After all, our ancestors are the ones that decided that it was a good idea to deny these people independence when they had the chance to give it to them.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Maybe it isn't a bad thing that we aren't taking the problems of Mesopotamia lightly? After all, our ancestors are the ones that decided that it was a good idea to deny these people independence when they had the chance to give it to them.

You're Turkish?

[smoothpops]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is going to sound callous, but people are acting as though there has never been war before. A combination of social media and a younger generation that has a near-absolute ignorance of history is causing this perpetual crisis mode, where a civil war in Syria is treated as though its an unprecedented disaster. Use the internet. Look up a year - any year. 1979. 1968. 1956. 1985. There was probably a war going on big or bigger than Syria today.

There will always be wars. There will always be refugees. It would be folly for Western countries to adopt a policy that we're responsible for taking in all young men displaced by war. The reason there are more refugees today than in the past isn't because wars or worse - it's because the people in war zones today have more money and more contacts abroad to make flight to Europe feasible.

I'm okay with a careful, modest intake of select refugees. It's good for the economy and its gives refuge to people who need it. But that's a far cry from the assumption that we're obliged to take in all people displaced by conflict. Our social systems, or society could not handle it.

I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, but you missed my main point. In about 3-5 years, we're going to be talking about how the young single men of Syria are the ones that are filling the ranks of terrorist organizations.

[T@T]

Freemason slaughter thwarted in Milwaukee.

A 23-year-old Milwaukee resident charged with illegally possessing machine guns had planned a massacre at a Masonic temple in the city, federal officials said Tuesday. Samy Mohamed Hamzeh was arrested Monday after buying two automatic weapons and a silencer from undercover agents.

Hamzeh allegedly said he was defending Islam and that he hoped to kill at least 30 people, according to the complaint.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/us/mil...ges/index.html

[chemgear]

No many details yet and certainly we see people do silly things like "forget" about bringing a gun on a plane and such. Maybe nothing but a box of ammo is kinda strange though.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35431086

French police have arrested a man carrying two guns at an entrance to a hotel at Disneyland Paris.

The man, reportedly aged 28 and not known to security services, was also discovered with a copy of the Koran and a box of ammunition, police said.

A police source told the AFP news agency that a preliminary investigation did not point to terrorism, and that the man had said he was carrying the weapons because he feared for his safety.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Boko Haram burns kids alive in Nigeria, 86 dead: officials

Eighty-six bodies were collected by Sunday afternoon, according to Mohammed Kanar, area coordinator of the National Emergency Management Agency. Another 62 people are being treated for burns, said Abba Musa of the State Specialist Hospital in Maiduguri.

http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-bur...0486.html?nf=1

[CliffFletcher]

^^^ Sad how low a profile this attack has been given in the North American media. I know part of it is the usual formula for deaths in developing countries vs in Western countries. But I suspect it's also because Islamic terrorism against non-Western targets doesn't fit the narrative that it's blowback from Western meddling in the Middle East.

[metallicat]

Boko Haram is basically worse than ISIS at this point. The stuff they do is unbelievable. But like you said, it is happening in Africa, so the west doesn't care.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I don't even know how to begin to put together a moral scorecard between ISIS and Boko Haram... mass murdering children, or enslaving women and raping them nightly, what's worse? I'm not sure it matters. It's all utterly horrifying.

[calumniate]

Roméo dallaire must be pretty choked right now. Pretty sad that nothing has changed

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Roméo dallaire must be pretty choked right now. Pretty sad that nothing has changed

I get your sentiment in the African context, but to imply that the violence in Boko Haram in Nigeria and Chad is a continuation of the genocide in Rwanda is not accurate. Rwanda is a very different country in a vastly different national landscape since 1994.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I get your sentiment in the African context, but to imply that the violence in Boko Haram in Nigeria and Chad is a continuation of the genocide in Rwanda is not accurate. Rwanda is a very different country in a vastly different national landscape since 1994.

Oh for sure I get that, was only comparing the type of neglect that seems to be ongoing. Very tough to protect all these soft targets though. Still, I have to assume that roméo would be pissed right now.. while not a genocide there are fundamental human rights violations going on

[T@T]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Boko Haram is basically worse than ISIS at this point. The stuff they do is unbelievable. But like you said, it is happening in Africa, so the west doesn't care.

So sickening, Why they don't have a few predator drones erasing these goofs is a travesty. I guess because Nigeria/middle Africa doesn't pump oil it can be ignored.