Ongoing Terrorism/ISIS/al Qaeda Thread

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Yep, I've pretty much done a 180 on my stance on refugees. Terrorism threat not withstanding, I have no desire to see the violence against women that's going on in Germany happen here in Canada. Any refugees we admit should be children and women primarily, the only men I would allow in would be as part of a whole family. I would simply flat out deny all single males entry

Isn't this exactly what is happening?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Isn't this exactly what is happening?

Pretty much.

Canada is not taking many single males at all. They are essentially cherry picking the best refugees, leaving behind a concentrated group of the worst for everyone else to deal with.

This whole problem is the result of every single country involved acting in their own self interest.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by blankall

This whole problem is the result of every single country involved acting in their own self interest.

I'd say sectarian violence, religious fanaticism, failed states, demographics, deep-rooted misogyny, and culture shock play a part as well.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'd say sectarian violence, religious fanaticism, failed states, demographics, deep-rooted misogyny, and culture shock play a part as well.

The initial conflicts could have been dealt with via cooperation. Much of the sectarian violence is also the result of surrounding and Western countries pushing their own agendas.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by blankall

The initial conflicts could have been dealt with via cooperation. Much of the sectarian violence is also the result of surrounding and Western countries pushing their own agendas.

Absolutely. The interventions in Iraq, Egypt, and Syria destabilized the fragile status quo in the Middle East. This is the fall-out. We should never have gotten involved.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by peter12

Absolutely. The interventions in Iraq, Egypt, and Syria destabilized the fragile status quo in the Middle East. This is the fall-out. We should never have gotten involved.

The Western cluster #### in the Middle East pre-dates those 3 areas.


I really struggle to remain engaged with what is happening there, as it is the same play different actors.

Just sad.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by peter12

Absolutely. The interventions in Iraq, Egypt, and Syria destabilized the fragile status quo in the Middle East. This is the fall-out. We should never have gotten involved.

Well, the status quo was horrifying, though. I'm pretty sure I still agree with you but let's not act as though there weren't good reasons for intervention, even if we take the view that they weren't sufficient.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, the status quo was horrifying, though. I'm pretty sure I still agree with you but let's not act as though there weren't good reasons for intervention, even if we take the view that they weren't sufficient.

Yes, the regimes involved were cruel, brutal, and by any standard, inhumane barbarians. No disagreement there.

[ernie]

People have to remember that the Refugee process for entry into Canada and especially the US is completely different than the essentially open border Europe has.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by ernie

People have to remember that the Refugee process for entry into Canada and especially the US is completely different than the essentially open border Europe has.

Not to mention that our refugee policy is set in our own capital city.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by blankall

The initial conflicts could have been dealt with via cooperation. Much of the sectarian violence is also the result of surrounding and Western countries pushing their own agendas.

Originally Posted by peter12

Absolutely. The interventions in Iraq, Egypt, and Syria destabilized the fragile status quo in the Middle East. This is the fall-out. We should never have gotten involved.

Sunnis and #####es have been at each other's throats for centuries. They don't need any prompting from the West to kill each other.

I'm not excusing the West, or denying the intractable political problems the West has fostered in the Middle East. However, to me the real root of the issue is Islam's crisis coping with modernity. You don't need foreign intervention for deeply conservative and fundamentalist cultures to violently react against liberal values that threaten those conservative norms. You only have to look to fly-over country in the U.S. to see something similar.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sunnis and #####es have been at each other's throats for centuries. They don't need any prompting from the West to kill each other.

I'm not excusing the West, or denying the intractable political problems the West has fostered in the Middle East. However, to me the real root of the issue is Islam's crisis coping with modernity. You don't need foreign intervention for deeply conservative and fundamentalist cultures to violently react against liberal values that threaten those conservative norms. You only have to look to fly-over country in the U.S. to see something similar.

I wasn't downplaying the Sunni #####e conflict. I also referred to "surrounding" nations. Although I don't the modern Sunni/#####e conflict is a religious one so much as a conflict between political entities using these religions to gain influence.

Saudi Arabia has spent decades and billions of dollars spreading their extremist and fundamentalist version of Sunni Islam. Groups like ISIS and Al-Queda are the ultimate consequence of this. Iran is just as bad and responsible for Hezbollah and propping up Assad.

The West played a role too, but I agree many are exaggerating their influence.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Interesting take by a guy that run out of town because of politics.

[activeStick]

Vancouver police are looking for 3 middle eastern men for questioning after cameras caught them video taping entrances and exits of the Pacific Centre Mall in downtown Vancouver.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2016/01/v...c-centre-mall/

The men were seen taking video of exits and entrances and specifically capturing shots of the Dunsmuir Street exit. Mall security tried locating them but were unsuccessful.

Police initially believed four men were taking video, but the number of persons of interest has since been reduced to three men, Vancouver Police told Vancity Buzz.

Pacific Centre is downtown Vancouver’s main shopping mall, with approximately 100 shops over three city blocks in the Central Business District and direct footpath connections to SkyTrain’s Expo, Millennium, and Canada lines.

[polak]

sketchy.

I wonder if they made this public to get them to correspond with whoever might be working with them. Because they obviously risked them going into hiding now.

[Ozy_Flame]

Love the tone comments in that article. "Why did they have to say Middle Eastern?? So racist!"

I'm sure the article meant to say redhead Irish albinos with huge afros.

[blankall]

Those guys look way too well dressed to be terrorists. Vancouver is full of rich Saudis going to English language schools. My guess is these are hipsters instragraming or testing out new expensive phones.

[nik-]

It would depend on how long they were filming. I'm guessing if these guys were filming these pretty uninteresting locations (from an instagram perspective) for extended periods, it's pretty odd. I don't think the police are going to get people excited for typical photo taking.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Love the tone comments in that article. "Why did they have to say Middle Eastern?? So racist!"

I'm sure the article meant to say redhead Irish albinos with huge afros.

I can't wait for the politically correct police bulletins. "Suspect is hatless; repeat, hatless!"

[Vulcan]

Police have interviewed three men seen taking pictures at Pacific Centre Mall, whose images were shared online by a number of media outlets. After that conversation, police have determined their actions were logical and there is no threat to the public.

All three men cooperated with police and they had a very logical explanation regarding their behaviour. The investigation determined that their actions were completely innocent.

http://www.news1130.com/2016/01/15/t...ll-identified/