Evander Kane: "I asked for a trade every offseason in Winnipeg"

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Just name one plain Jane situation in the NHL where racism is "embedded" or noticeable at all. Just one example will suffice.

Name me one minority in a position of leadership in the NHL. Could be a GM, Coach, President, anything. Just one example will suffice.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I've never actually heard this that Manitoba was any worse than other NA locales. Just curious, who and what was said?

"Welcome to Winnipeg: Where Canada’s racism problem is at its worst"

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/w...-at-its-worst/

"Racism in Winnipeg: Newcomer to Canada shares 'colourism' experience"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...ence-1.2932535

[Coach]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Name me one minority in a position of leadership in the NHL. Could be a GM, Coach, President, anything. Just one example will suffice.

Ted Nolan?

Your point stands, but at the same time, the ratio of minorities playing the sport (and thus, desirable people for work in hockey afterwards) is pretty low. That's not necessarily a racist thing, non-white people have historically not been involved in hockey. It's only been in the last little while that minorities have began to have some significant presence, and even now it's pretty low. I don't think this is because the NHL is racist, it's because those people historically come from different places where different sports are the norm. If anything, it's minorities themselves that preach hockey as a "white person's" game.

So who are the ex-NHLers that are minorities and actually in the age-range that would be in these positions? Fuhr is honestly the only one I can think of the top of my head. Weekes is a pretty prominent media personality.

So if only a (relatively) small percentage of ex-players actually move into those roles, it stands to reason that there would be a MUCH smaller concentration of visible minorities. Heck. Jarmo Kekelainnen is the first ever Euro GM, and europeans have been much more prevalent in the league since the influx in the 80's-90's.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I've never actually heard this that Manitoba was any worse than other NA locales. Just curious, who and what was said?

CFLer Andrew Harris said something, and apparently in the minors it's really bad. I've got almost no experience in Manitoba, and that's been pretty much just Winnipeg.

The only way the allegation makes sense is in the fact that the population is probably less mixed that in BC, Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec. It's a lot like Idaho or other such states that way.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Name me one minority in a position of leadership in the NHL. Could be a GM, Coach, President, anything. Just one example will suffice.

Charles Wang?

[smoothessence]

Came in here expecting a discussion on the merit of asking for trades and Winnipeg.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Name me one minority in a position of leadership in the NHL. Could be a GM, Coach, President, anything. Just one example will suffice.

So if there aren't any (which there are) that means racism is embedded in the NHL? Bit of a stretch there pal.

Way to answer the question with a question.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Itse

As for the possibility that owners/presidents/GM's/coaches/trainers don't care about race, let's talk about NFL quarterbacks. Obviously it's unlikely that anybody would consciously pick an inferior white QB over a black one, considering how crucial that position is and how much money is tied to an NFL teams success. But it's also pretty obvious there's no rational reason why it has traditionally been a spot for the white guy.

Is there a rational reason why about 95 per cent of the running backs in the NFL are black? Or heck, why blacks are vastly overrepresented in the NFL altogether?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Is there a rational reason why about 95 per cent of the running backs in the NFL are black? Or heck, why blacks are vastly overrepresented in the NFL altogether?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[browna]

Honestly, there was talk when Atlanta suddenly got moved that players (of all color and creed) who liked Atlanta/chose Atlanta, may have issues with the move. Both for the city, culture, and then, the anonymity of Atlanta compared to the huge spotlight on them in Winnipeg.

Winnipeg as a city is about as far from Atlanta is there is in North American sports. For a younger guy that sort of adjustment (or perceived adjustment) from the culture in Southern US to middle Canada, is probably amplified.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Charles Wang?

Bettman, Yzerman.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Is there a rational reason why about 95 per cent of the running backs in the NFL are black? Or heck, why blacks are vastly overrepresented in the NFL altogether?

People with West African genes are generally the best runners in the world. So yes.

(Also, sports is a way out of poverty, so many ethnic minorities around the world are overrepresented in sports.)

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

"Welcome to Winnipeg: Where Canada’s racism problem is at its worst"

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/w...-at-its-worst/

"Racism in Winnipeg: Newcomer to Canada shares 'colourism' experience"


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...ence-1.2932535

That Macleans article was some of the worst crap I had ever read at the time. Completely one sided and very little journalism involved.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Whaddya know - I agree with a whole bunch of Hackey's post. Except it's "toe the line", not "tow". IMO any racism felt by the non-white guys in the NHL isn't because of management and probably not coaches either. It's more likely the subtle stuff - jokes in the locker room, comments by some fans or media, etc.

And the occasional overt stuff - the bananas chucked at Simmonds in Philly and at Weekes in Montreal. And giving some credence to what Kane says, according to some other pro athletes it's pretty bad in Manitoba.

This doesn't change your point, but Philly fans get dumped on enough already, so it's worth pointing out that that happened during a Flyers exhibition game in London, Ontario.

[Magnum PEI]

It was just one guy who bought a frozen banana and claimed he didn't realize the racial implications.
I remember thinking "likely story" at the time but when the whole thing came out he seemed pretty believable.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

That Macleans article was some of the worst crap I had ever read at the time. Completely one sided and very little journalism involved.

Odd reaction.How would you have made it two sided? What's wrong with the facts shared in that article?

It seems to make people uncomfortable to discuss the truth of the awful racism we have in the prairie provinces.

[taco.vidal]

Dustin Byfuglien is black and a Winnipeg Jet. Is his experience different than Kane's?

Oduya?

Ray Neufeld is black and was a Winnipeg Jet in 1980s.

Kane wasn't and isn't the first black guy to play in Winnipeg. I don't remember anyone else getting the public treatment that Kane received. Maybe its the person, not the race?

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Dustin Byfuglien is black and a Winnipeg Jet. Is his experience different than Kane's?

Oduya?

Ray Neufeld is black and was a Winnipeg Jet in 1980s.

Kane wasn't and isn't the first black guy to play in Winnipeg. I don't remember anyone else getting the public treatment that Kane received. Maybe its the person, not the race?

Byfuglien is arguably the Jets most popular player. Pokey Reddick was very popular in the 80s. Neufeld is from Winnipeg, and now lives in the Southeast end of the city. Milt Stegall was honored by a street named after him. I cannot recall the last time a member of the Blue Bombers complained about racism in Winnipeg.

The problem is, there is no measuring stick to measure how tolerant/intolerant a city truly is. Different people have different experiences. I admit that there is a big problem between Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals, but that is likely due to the huge influx of First Nations people from the reserves in the 80s and 90s, where living conditions are comparable to third world nations.

Today, the Aboriginal population of Winnipeg is well over 10%, which is double what it was 20 years ago. The numbers are not even close in any city in Alberta, including Edmonton. IMHO, it has as much to do with poverty as it does with race. If the community would provide the social services (community centres, treatment centres, affordable housing, etc.) needed to succeed in life for the impoverished areas of the city, then racial tensions would decrease.

Personally, I find Calgary has less overt racism than Winnipeg. The worst place in Canada I've been to is Brooks, AB. That place feels like the Mississippi of Canada.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by icecube

Odd reaction.How would you have made it two sided? What's wrong with the facts shared in that article?

It seems to make people uncomfortable to discuss the truth of the awful racism we have in the prairie provinces.

http://www.92citifm.ca/2015/01/25/wh...eans-magazine/

Local radio host interviewed her after the article. Obviously there is racism in every society, particularly in the prairies with the high aboriginal population but that article was a lot of fluff.

[combustiblefuel]

[QUOTE=CroFlames;5482356]Just being devil's advocate, but if I'm white and I proudly proclaim I hate all non protestant whites (like Neo Nazis in America) I am pretty racist. There is no other term.

Or if I'm a white German for instance and I proclaim I hate white Americans, or white Russians, or white Romanians, etc, that is racist my friend.[/QUOTE]
No, it is not being a racist. That is called being a Xenophobic and Nationalist. Your not hating them because they are whiteyou hate them for the country they reside in.