[Hypothetical] Possible return IF we were to move Gio now

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Which is another reason why he has a lot more value before the season starts. A team like Philly might give up a first rounder for him now in hopes that they'll improve, but the pick could still end up being in the lottery. The chances of a lottery team giving up a 1st rounder drop to pretty much zero as the season goes on.

Ah... but before the season it is simply a 1st rounder, not high or low since you don't know where any given team will finish. Remember, we were supposed to be contenders for Connor before last season started.

[Traditional_Ale]

This thread feels awful. Let's not give Uncle Burkie any crazy ideas.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

This thread feels awful. Let's not give Uncle Burkie any crazy ideas.

As long as we don't give the GM any crazy ideas... *sigh*

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

As long as we don't give the GM any crazy ideas... *sigh*

I don't follow. Brad Treliving is not crazy.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I don't follow. Brad Treliving is not crazy.

And ‘Uncle Burkie’ is not the GM.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And ‘Uncle Burkie’ is not the GM.

It's all semantics, it would be silly to assume that he's not involved in hockey operations given his title lol

[Dajazz]

One gazillion. If it exists.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bax

It's all semantics, it would be silly to assume that he's not involved in hockey operations given his title lol

It's not all semantics, and it would be silly to assume that he is going go overrule his GM to make foolish trades.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's not all semantics, and it would be silly to assume that he is going go overrule his GM to make foolish trades.

I never said that he would? It's silly to assume that he's not involved in the discussion though.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bax

I never said that he would?

No, Trad did:

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

This thread feels awful. Let's not give Uncle Burkie any crazy ideas.

Implying, basically, that if ‘Uncle Burkie’ has crazy ideas about trades, he can make them happen. That's Treliving's job. And if Burke did try to make Treliving wreck the team by trading away key players, I suspect Treliving would screw it up in reverse by driving a harder bargain than anybody thought possible.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, Trad did:



Implying, basically, that if ‘Uncle Burkie’ has crazy ideas about trades, he can make them happen. That's Treliving's job. And if Burke did try to make Treliving wreck the team by trading away key players, I suspect Treliving would screw it up in reverse by driving a harder bargain than anybody thought possible.

Devils advocate here but is he key? The team survived without him for a big chunk of the season and the playoffs. Maybe it does make sense to cash in while his value is pretty much at its peak.

[Stay Golden]

Trading Gio just because he is at the height of his trade value. So the grass is greener on the other side.
Instead of appreciate what he has provided and what the team will be with the additions and Gio leading them.
Trading Gio is Foolish.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Trading Gio just because he is at the height of his trade value. So the grass is greener on the other side.
Instead of appreciate what he has provided and what the team will be with the additions and Gio leading them.
Trading Gio is Foolish.

Trading Gio is foolish if he can signed to a good contract. Trading him would be less foolish than signing him to a bad contract in my opinion.

[jayswin]

This thread is great;

OP: This thread is hypothetical and not for discussing the merits or feasibility of a trade, we already have a thread for that, I just want to know what people think we could get for him in a trade

20 posts in: Well anyways I don't think he'll be traded, it would be stupid...........no it wouldn't...............well it would be if his new contract was reasonable

OP: Hey guys, not sure how I could have made the OP and thread title any more clear, there's already a thread for this topic, this one is about possible trade proposals

20 more posts: Well anyways I don't think he'll be traded, it would be stupid...........no it wouldn't...............well it would be if his new contract was reasonable

OP: Hey guys, not sure how I could have made the OP and thread title any more clear, there's already a thread for this topic, this one is about possible trade proposals

20 more posts: Well anyways I don't think he'll be traded, it would be stupid...........no it wouldn't...............well it would be if his new contract was reasonable

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, Trad did:



Implying, basically, that if ‘Uncle Burkie’ has crazy ideas about trades, he can make them happen. That's Treliving's job. And if Burke did try to make Treliving wreck the team by trading away key players, I suspect Treliving would screw it up in reverse by driving a harder bargain than anybody thought possible.

"Move over Brad, it's uncle Burkie here to make a few trades! I wanna wreck the team!"

[gvitaly]

I could see him traded to MIN for a package around Brodin. Gio was obviously the better defenseman last season, but Brodin is only 22 (locked for 5 years). Brodin could be a great replacement for years, besides Brodie-Brodin pairing sounds awesome.

What does Minnesota get? A Noris Calibre defenseman that can either play with Suter, or carry his own pair. The strong finish Minnesota had to its season just might make them want to go all in, at least for one season.

It would probably have to be done in the beginning of the season, and/or include conditional picks based on if Gio will resign. Not sure what will each team have to add on their side.

20 more posts: Well anyways I don't think he'll be traded, it would be stupid...........no it wouldn't...............well it would be if his new contract was reasonable

[bax]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I could see him traded to MIN for a package around Brodin. Gio was obviously the better defenseman last season, but Brodin is only 22 (locked for 5 years). Brodin could be a great replacement for years, besides Brodie-Brodin pairing sounds awesome.



What does Minnesota get? A Noris Calibre defenseman that can either play with Suter, or carry his own pair. The strong finish Minnesota had to its season just might make them want to go all in, at least for one season.



It would probably have to be done in the beginning of the season, and/or include conditional picks based on if Gio will resign. Not sure what will each team have to add on their side.

I couldn't

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I could see him traded to MIN for a package around Brodin. Gio was obviously the better defenseman last season, but Brodin is only 22 (locked for 5 years). Brodin could be a great replacement for years, besides Brodie-Brodin pairing sounds awesome.

This is interesting but isn't Minne pretty tight to the cap relative to being in a position to sign Gio for big money if (hypothetically) the term/money was too steep for us?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I could see him traded to MIN for a package around Brodin. Gio was obviously the better defenseman last season, but Brodin is only 22 (locked for 5 years). Brodin could be a great replacement for years, besides Brodie-Brodin pairing sounds awesome.

What does Minnesota get? A Noris Calibre defenseman that can either play with Suter, or carry his own pair. The strong finish Minnesota had to its season just might make them want to go all in, at least for one season.

It would probably have to be done in the beginning of the season, and/or include conditional picks based on if Gio will resign. Not sure what will each team have to add on their side.

Not a bad proposal but isn't Brodin almost their equivalent of Brodie? Not quite as good but would you trade a player like that for potentially one year of Gio? Re-signing him would be tough given the money they have tied up in other guys.

I think the Ducks proposal might have made most sense. If Anaheim landed Gio they would probably be the favorites for the Cup.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

This is interesting but isn't Minne pretty tight to the cap relative to being in a position to sign Gio for big money if (hypothetically) the term/money was too steep for us?

Originally Posted by Hackey

Not a bad proposal but isn't Brodin almost their equivalent of Brodie? Not quite as good but would you trade a player like that for potentially one year of Gio? Re-signing him would be tough given the money they have tied up in other guys.

I think the Ducks proposal might have made most sense. If Anaheim landed Gio they would probably be the favorites for the Cup.

Brodin's cap is 4.167M for the next 5 years. Giordano is 4.02M for one more year. In that regard this year balances out. As for next year Backstrom(3.4M) is off the books, and the following year Vanek(6.5M). It will definitely be difficult for MIN to resign him, but not impossible. It will all depend on how much of a raise they will need to give their RFA defenseman(Spurgeon, Dumba) next summer.

Minnesota's forwards are getting older Parise(30), Koivu(32), Vanek(31), Pominville(32), Suter is already 30 as well. Minnesota might want to take a risk to win the cup with the 'old guard' who are all Giordano's age. On the other hand, they have young forwards such as Granlund(23), Niederreiter(22), and Coyle(23) that stepped up. Eventually it all comes to a question of risk, if they believe it could be the season to win a cup.

Brodin is their #2 defenseman and a very good player. He is also young and he is signed to a very good contract. Exactly their equivalent of Brodie. I just don't see Giordano moved for anything less than a sure thing. I am not sure what will be needed to balance the scales on either side. Perhaps a conditional 2nd MIN will get if they can't resign Gio. Other players involved?

The way I see it if the Flames trade Giordano it will be for an already established young defenseman. A trade centering around forwards or picks doesn't make sense at the moment, especially if you look at the backlog we have.

PS: I honestly can't see the Flames moving Giordano, I simply asked myself the question of "what would it take?". Just keeping the discussion going.