NHL Power Rankings

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Don't look now, but 4 of the top 5 teams in the league are from the east. The way is really a tale of haves and have nots.

Finally glad that we are in the west and don't have to play those guys nonstop. Good thing we have resources like this to set the facts straight

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Finally glad that we are in the west and don't have to play those guys nonstop. Good thing we have resources like this to set the facts straight

Lol. I wasn't being sarcastic. I meant the actual real standings. Montreal, Pittsburgh, Tampa and the Islanders all on the top 5. Only Anaheim in the 2 spot is in the top 5 from the west.

It helps they play the weak eastern teams all the time, but there's some solid teams there. Montreal is a mirage for sure, and maybe the islanders.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Hahah my bad i thought you pulled that from The Scores rankings. I'm tired, brains on autopilot.

[djsFlames]

At last! We made the Super 16.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=741373&cmpid=nhl-fb

Took them long enough to recognize, them haters.

[Da_Chief]

People don't give that troll at the Score any hits...the only think that site/part of Sportsnet is good for is their app.

I really hate the Corsi BS, probably the most useless stat.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I really hate the Corsi BS, probably the most useless stat.

The worst part about it is that it seems to infiltrate every thread somehow....

[ssjshmo]

New rankings up

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/646044

We're up to #20 now!
Too everyone's pleasure, more talk about about our "ghastly" 43.5% Corsi for 5-on-5 shot attemps.
Looks like our chances of making the playoffs are really slim

[Da_Chief]

Don't click. Thanks.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

At last! We made the Super 16.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=741373&cmpid=nhl-fb

Took them long enough to recognize, them haters.

The best part:

Originally Posted by nhl.com

"Getting Backlund healthy will help dig the Flames out a little from a possession standpoint, but they need to get a lot better or this run of success is almost certainly going to end. The team shooting percentage and save percentage have already started to slip a little."

Curiously missing is any mention of how the team has weathered the expected regression to the norm in their shooting percentage. The difference this has made to the Flames performance in the standings is practically negligible.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by ssjshmo

New rankings up

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/646044

We're up to #20 now!
Too everyone's pleasure, more talk about about our "ghastly" 43.5% Corsis for 5-on-5 shot attemps.
Looks like our chances of making the playoffs are really slim

I know people love to rag on stats and what not. And I'll admit that the Flames will probably crash down to earth a bit and the evidence from Corsi shows there should be a correction, BUT the biggest stat this guy is ignoring while showcasing it right on his rankings is Goal Differential.

If the Flames were hovering at a goal differential of +2,even or -3 I'd be really worried about a massive crash, but we're sitting at a solid +14. I don't have the time to do the research, but I doubt there are many teams who haven't made the playoffs with a goal differential across a season around the +10 mark.

[FBI]

Do the oilers still have better corsi numbers than us over the entire season? If that's the case then thats the last time I will ever take Corsi seriously to mean anything relevant.

[automaton 3]

I won't take the click bait.

This guy is starting to embarrass himself.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

I don't have the time to do the research, but I doubt there are many teams who haven't made the playoffs with a goal differential across a season around the +10 mark.

the last ones were ... the Calgary Flames. With a goal differential of +13, they finished 10th in the Western Conference in 2010-11.

It rarely happens, but there are some cases. Since the lockout, 6 teams missed the playoffs with a goal differential higher than +10:

2010-11 Calgary (+13)
2008-09 Buffalo (+16) and Minnesota (+19)
2007-08 Buffalo (+13)
2006-07 Colorado (+21)
2005-06 Minnesota (+16)

[formulate]

Originally Posted by FBI

Do the oilers still have better corsi numbers than us over the entire season? If that's the case then thats the last time I will ever take Corsi seriously to mean anything relevant.

Yes, they do, in pretty much every situation. They also have a better PK than us and are better in the faceoff circle. Does that mean you will now disregard PK% and Faceoff win% as statistics?

It's simply another statistic to keep track of, with a shown correlation to success in the win column. Like special teams or faceoffs, having worse numbers doesn't mean you can't have a good team.

[formulate]

To clarify, I'm not condoning the use of corsi numbers as the be-all-end-all (like many internet bloggers). But to say they aren't meaningful whatsoever I believe is shortsighted.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by formulate

Yes, they do, in pretty much every situation. They also have a better PK than us and are better in the faceoff circle. Does that mean you will now disregard PK% and Faceoff win% as statistics?

It's simply another statistic to keep track of, with a shown correlation to success in the win column. Like special teams or faceoffs, having worse numbers doesn't mean you can't have a good team.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Oilers had beat us in various stats last year. Should we disregard every stat that doesn't correlate 100% with winning?

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by formulate

Yes, they do, in pretty much every situation. They also have a better PK than us and are better in the faceoff circle. Does that mean you will now disregard PK% and Faceoff win% as statistics?

It's simply another statistic to keep track of, with a shown correlation to success in the win column. Like special teams or faceoffs, having worse numbers doesn't mean you can't have a good team.

Except that Corsi isn't talked about as 'simply another stat'. It's all these ranking guys want to talk about.

I'm just going to start talking about intangibles whenever Corsi is brought up.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

If the Flames were hovering at a goal differential of +2,even or -3 I'd be really worried about a massive crash, but we're sitting at a solid +14.

He will say that differential is simply the result of an (also) unsustainable PDO of 1.025

I think it becoming clear that 'underlying statistical analysis' says nothing about either Alberta team

[squiggs96]

I like the espn rankings: http://espn.go.com/nhl/powerrankings

9 Calgary Last week: 11
The Flames, led by captain and Norris Trophy (and Hart?) candidate Mark Giordano, continue to defy skeptics. They have won 10 of 14 and have not lost two in a row in regulation this season. Their worst losing streak is 0-1-1.

29 Edmonton Last week: 30
It's not that the Oilers are actually playing better. They're not. It's just that the Blue Jackets are worse. Don't worry, though, we expect the Oil to rebound and get right back to 30th in the rankings next week.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I won't take the click bait.

This guy is starting to embarrass himself.

I'll help you out.

The Flames are one of the most exciting teams in hockey, and a fanbase that hasn't had much to smile about for the past five years is loving it.

As they should be.

But Calgary isn't moving too far up our rankings with that ghastly 43.5 percent Corsi For percentage. Why does this matter? Well, since 2007-08 no team that's controlled five-on-five shot attempts at a rate below 45 percent has ever qualified for the postseason.