Technically correct, but utterly unrelated to her ability to do her job. Do your coworkers call you "White Man TurekFan"? Do you introduce yourself as "TurekFan the White Man"?
The only time it's appropriate to refer to somebody by solely by their gender, or because of their gender, is when you're discussing gender. Similarly you can refer to a person's race when you're discussing race -- but then again why are you discussing race? You feel you actually have a point to add that hasn't been already covered these last 200 years?
Point is there's no reason to do it at all, and it's a sign of ignorance, immaturity, or worse.
I apologize, I know this isn't the place for it... However the picture of "appropriate" behavior you paint is just plain scary. So much so that I am not even sure how to respond to it. I am expected to believe it's not appropriate to identify someone based on a physical descriptor? What's next? I can't comment on hair color either?
I certainly get that the politically correct way to identify him is (centered) but this is going way over the top.
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I apologize, I know this isn't the place for it... However the picture of "appropriate" behavior you paint is just plain scary. So much so that I am not even sure how to respond to it. I am expected to believe it's not appropriate to identify someone based on a physical descriptor? What's next? I can't comment on hair color either?
I certainly get that the politically correct way to identify him is (centered) but this is going way over the top.
obviously you can describe someone however you want...
I think it's more about the effect of what you say on the person you're talking about.
Your lifelong buddy? "that black dude" is probably fine.
Some random person? maybe consider describing them another way...
Frankly, you can argue that you have the right to describe someone however you want, but if you choose to describe people in ways that offend or hurt them then you may not be a hood-wearing racist, but you sure are insensitive.
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obviously you can describe someone however you want...
I think it's more about the effect of what you say on the person you're talking about.
Your lifelong buddy? "that black dude" is probably fine.
Some random person? maybe consider describing them another way...
Frankly, you can argue that you have the right to describe someone however you want, but if you choose to describe people in ways that offend or hurt them then you may not be a hood-wearing racist, but you sure are insensitive.
What is wrong with describing a random person by the colour of their skin? It's not like there is anything wrong with having a certain skin colour. Your argument makes it sound like you feel that there is.
I apologize, I know this isn't the place for it... However the picture of "appropriate" behavior you paint is just plain scary.
You're being over-sensitive.
Tell me how often you're referred at work as "that white male", and I'll agree it's appropriate to address people by their gender or skin color instead of their name or title. Treat people as you want to be treated. This isn't rocket science princess.
Tell me how often you're referred at work as "that white male", and I'll agree it's appropriate to address people by their gender or skin color instead of their name or title. Treat people as you want to be treated. This isn't rocket science princess.
Actually.... lol
Working in Blackfalds I happened to work with an excellent fellow who also happened to share a first name with me. I was often referred to as "White James" although our co-workers were much less comfortable referring to the other James as black for concern of being offensive. IMO they need not have worried as James (from Sudan) is a very friendly guy and not the type to take offence where not intended. He seemed to find the racial tip toeing amusing.
I am not intending to take sides in this debate. Just sharing my experience.
Tell me how often you're referred at work as "that white male", and I'll agree it's appropriate to address people by their gender or skin color instead of their name or title. Treat people as you want to be treated. This isn't rocket science princess.
Nice, I'm an oversensitive princess who doesn't think it's a big deal to associate a physical characteristic with someone. Not sure how the two go together, but since you're obviously missing every point I've tried to make, let's not let that stop us.
What is wrong with describing a random person by the colour of their skin? It's not like there is anything wrong with having a certain skin colour. Your argument makes it sound like you feel that there is.
innately? nothing.
but why describe someone like that if it offends them? just because "there's nothing wrong with it"?
Not sure where you're getting me thinking there's something wrong with any skin colour. re-read?
I'm just saying, if someone gets offended when you describe them by the colour of their skin, why do it? either that's the first/only thing you notice about people, or you're just an insensitive prick. either way, I'd rather just say, "hey that guy with the glasses" or "that girl with the black hair in a ponytail" or how about "that guy wearing blue shoes" etc etc.
You can say whatever you want. I'm not telling you what's right or wrong.
but why describe someone like that if it offends them? just because "there's nothing wrong with it"?
Not sure where you're getting me thinking there's something wrong with any skin colour. re-read?
I'm just saying, if someone gets offended when you describe them by the colour of their skin, why do it? either that's the first/only thing you notice about people, or you're just an insensitive prick. either way, I'd rather just say, "hey that guy with the glasses" or "that girl with the black hair in a ponytail" or how about "that guy wearing blue shoes" etc etc.
You can say whatever you want. I'm not telling you what's right or wrong.
Let's say, for example, I'm sitting in a bar with another person and I notice, say, Dave Chapelle sitting on the other side of the room. I say to my friend, "Hey. That's Dave Chapelle." And Let's say my friend had never heard of him and asks, "Which one's Chapelle?" And I say, "He's the Black dude in the red shirt." Do you honestly think Dave Chapelle or any other Black person would be offended or insulted by that little back and forth between my friend and I?
All I'm saying is, I THINK it's CONSIDERATE to others when you think of how your words affect other people. If you don't feel like you should have to, that's your prerogative. I still don't see why you wouldn't be able to just say "He's that guy in the red shirt."
If you wanna call black people black by all means go ahead. I honestly could care less. Makes you sound kind of ignorant if that's the only way you can describe people though...
All I'm saying is, I THINK it's CONSIDERATE to others when you think of how your words affect other people. If you don't feel like you should have to, that's your prerogative. I still don't see why you wouldn't be able to just say "He's that guy in the red shirt."
If you wanna call black people black by all means go ahead. I honestly could care less. Makes you sound kind of ignorant if that's the only way you can describe people though...
Wow. I think we're done here.
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Why wouldn't they label that normally and just say "third from the left". Not gonna lie, I don't think I have ever seen skin colour used as an identifier before in a professional publication. Seems like a such a bush league mistake. I'm surprised it even passed through the editor, to be honest.
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Why wouldn't they label that normally and just say "third from the left". Not gonna lie, I don't think I have ever seen skin colour used as an identifier before in a professional publication. Seems like a such a bush league mistake. I'm surprised it even passed through the editor, to be honest.
They have on the White caps and BC Lions.
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All I'm saying is, I THINK it's CONSIDERATE to others when you think of how your words affect other people. If you don't feel like you should have to, that's your prerogative. I still don't see why you wouldn't be able to just say "He's that guy in the red shirt."
If you wanna call black people black by all means go ahead. I honestly could care less. Makes you sound kind of ignorant if that's the only way you can describe people though...
