Grade BURKE's trade deadline day

[icarus]

Parlaying Berra into a 2nd was very shrewd move and help keeps going a great asset management streak tracing back to the drafting of Ken Houston in 1973 and in which every Flames GM in history has had a hand.

[Vinny01]

I really would have thought the Flames and Ducks would have had a last minute agreement for Cammy if the Ducks couldn't close on Kesler. I read a tweet where Bob Murray thought they were close with Vancouver but obviously no luck. With Penner being moved you would think they would replace that forward.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I really would have thought the Flames and Ducks would have had a last minute agreement for Cammy if the Ducks couldn't close on Kesler. I read a tweet where Bob Murray thought they were close with Vancouver but obviously no luck. With Penner being moved you would think they would replace that forward.

The reports are the Ducks were after a center (Kesler and Legwand). Not really that interested in a winger.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...#axzz2vC8qHx6w

[Cheese]

A+
he showed up for work

[SuperMatt18]

B for me

Did great on the trades he did make (Berra and Stempniak) and if those were our only UFA's it would have been an easy A.

But by not being able to gauge the market crash earlier and ending up not moving Cammy we ended up not getting a much needed asset.

[Flash Walken]

A.

5 picks in the first 90? That's an outstanding deadline.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A.

5 picks in the first 90? That's an outstanding deadline.

Psh not if Colborne scores 5 more goals and ruins everything!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by formulate

Psh not if Colborne scores 5 more goals and ruins everything!

nope. The condition was 10g/35p AND playoffs for the Flames. I think we're pretty safe in that regard

[formulate]

Originally Posted by devo22

nope. The condition was 10g/35p AND playoffs for the Flames. I think we're pretty safe in that regard

In a world where Colborne scores 5 more goals (or 17 points) in 20 games, we go 20-0 to sneak in the playoffs

[you got PHANUEFED]

Solid B, Burke maximized what he could from what we had, Stemp has had a pore season and still got a 3rd for the guy when 4th rounder's were the table setters for the 2nd tier guys. Burke got a 2nd rounder for a goalie with one win STEAL. The Market for D-men was week not to many teams were looking at that position so the disappointment of Butler still being here is no big deal, can always trade away his rights at the draft. After seeing what Vanek and Moulson brought back in return im happy with Cammy still being a Flame. The Flames can always sign him to a one year deal trade him to a team of his choice and retain all his salary to maximize the return.

[troutman]

How can we grade something where we saw none of the homework?

[moon]

He doesn't get credit for setting the price at a 2nd?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

After hearing more about the Berra deal I don't think Burke deserves all the glory he's getting heaped on him. He admitted that Colorado came calling and asked with the price for Berra was. Burke told them he wouldn't take anything less than a second, and they said deal. This was a short negotiation for a player Burke wasn't dangling. The deal fell into his lap and he quickly pounced on it. Credit due for recognizing when to pull the trigger, but I think given the same circumstances, almost every poster here would have acted in the same fashion. This wasn't a drawn out or tense negotiation. Colorado saw a guy they wanted and happily paid the asking price.

IMO, that is an example of how having a solid reputation pays dividends.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A.

5 picks in the first 90? That's an outstanding deadline.

Yup.

And they still have Hudler, Wideman, Glencross, Stajan and (possibly) Cammalleri in their pocket for future trades.

[Derek Sutton]

C-, he aced all the quizes but bombed on the final exam. Anything for any of the remaining UFA's would have been good, better then what the return will be July 1, a third for Stemniak should've meant a 2nd for Cammy, and to blame the deal on a third party... why was there not more then one pending deal? If Cammy returns or not he still could have been dealt. Im not if favour of re- signing Cammy personally.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by formulate

Psh not if Colborne scores 5 more goals and ruins everything!

The Flames have to make the playoffs as well if I recall correctly... so.... that pick isn't changing.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

I'm ok with how the deadline went. Judging from the other deals, Burke got good value in the deals he made.

Deals:
Berra for 2nd round pick - great deal - comparable: Bryzgalov (4th), Fasth (3rd & 5th), Dubnyk (future considerations)

Stempniak for 3rd round pick - good deal - comparable: Hemsky (3rd & 5th), Penner (4th), Goc (3rd & 5th), Legwand (3rd, cap dump, prospect), Erat (4th, cap dump, prospect swap)

Non-deals:
Butler - comparable: Schultz (5th), Diaz (5th), Meszaros (3rd), Robidas (conditional 4th), Weaver 5th - I'm ok with no deal here provided they re-sign him to a short deal. Butler is worth more as a player than a 5th round pick which is likely the level of return offered. If we traded Butler we'd likely be spending a 4th or 5th to replace him in the short term anyway.

Cammalleri - comparable: Vanek (2nd & prospect), Moulson (two 2nds), Legwand (prospect & 3rd), Ruutu (3rd & tweener), Gaborik (2nd, 3rd, & tweener), Hemsky (3rd & 5th), Erat (4th & cap dump) - I'd say the most you were likely getting a 3rd and a prospect for Cammalleri based on the market. Not a great return. I'm very surprised Anaheim didn't up the ante for Cammalleri but again this is no big deal if he re-signs and is ok with sticking around. If he leaves for nothing this starts to look bad but I also understand Burke's point that you can't sell too far below your asking price.

O'Brien - I can't imagine there were any offers (maybe future considerations) but we don't need the roster spot with only 42 contracts and we have plenty of cap space. Enjoy him Abby!

Smith - See O'Brien.

Overall I give Burke a B.

I'm excited to see a splash at the draft!

I think this sums things up best.

Those that are negative regarding Cammy not moving for assets are speculating too much in my opinion, due to the fact none of us were privy to the exact conversations or offers being made.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

After hearing more about the Berra deal I don't think Burke deserves all the glory he's getting heaped on him. He admitted that Colorado came calling and asked with the price for Berra was. Burke told them he wouldn't take anything less than a second, and they said deal. This was a short negotiation for a player Burke wasn't dangling. The deal fell into his lap and he quickly pounced on it. Credit due for recognizing when to pull the trigger, but I think given the same circumstances, almost every poster here would have acted in the same fashion. This wasn't a drawn out or tense negotiation. Colorado saw a guy they wanted and happily paid the asking price.

Lol. Burke deserves a TON of credit for this deal. The key part was where he set Berra's price high and stuck to it. Anybody here would've given Berra away for a mid round pick.

It's funny that some posters don't recognize that the reason we won the Berra deal so handily is the same reason why Cammalleri didn't move. Setting a players price based on the market and your own valuation and then sticking to that price in the face of lowball offers.

Your characterization of the trade is off anyways. COL talked about Berra a few days back but didn't pull the trigger until right at the deadline. Plenty of time for Burke to blink and lower the price but he didn't, he stuck to his guns.

[tomo]

The failure with not dealing Cammi is he offered him an extension before the deadline and nothing was signed.

Now he is gambling that he can either resign him to an extension, sign and trade him, or Cammi walks away for nothing as an UFA.

So even though pundits are saying the market was soft, if cammi walks we get nothing. It would be better to get something in return rather than nothing.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Lol. Burke deserves a TON of credit for this deal. The key part was where he set Berra's price high and stuck to it. Anybody here would've given Berra away for a mid round pick.

It's funny that some posters don't recognize that the reason we won the Berra deal so handily is the same reason why Cammalleri didn't move. Setting a players price based on the market and your own valuation and then sticking to that price in the face of lowball offers.

Your characterization of the trade is off anyways. COL talked about Berra a few days back but didn't pull the trigger until right at the deadline. Plenty of time for Burke to blink and lower the price but he didn't, he stuck to his guns.

I said Burke deserves credit for recognizing when to pull the trigger. I just think he's getting a lot of credit for a deal that Colorado drove and not taking enough heat for not getting a Cammalleri deal done. Just find it annoying. We can disagree at the efficacy so far and leave it at that.