Grade BURKE's trade deadline day

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yet we will get nothing for him if we do not sign him because Burke didn't like what was being offered today.

From what I understand, Cammy and Burke have had many convos- in regards to him re-signing or being traded. I have a feeling that in those talks with Cammy that if Burke got the sense that Cammy was NOT going to re-sign, or was gonna ask for stupid money, that Burke would of moved him for whatever he got. Cammy also said that Burke has been great and they have had good convos. Maybe Burke knows something we don't know in that respect and knew he didn't have to give him away today for under market value. Maybe it was an excercise in seeing if something good could be done for both the benefit of Cammy and the Flames to test the market and if not, Cammy signs anyways.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think this may have been the reputation we were starting to get..... in which case, I'd be very happy if we dropped that reputation.

this. you just have to look at snow and the islanders to see how non respected Gm's get bent over.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

B+ for me for the Berra trade alone. I can't believe we managed to snag a 2nd rounder for him. Especially looking at the other goalies dealt that returned draft picks or worse (Dubnyk, Bryz, Fasth, etc). Not that he was garbage or anything but I still saw him as a question mark as far as being a regular NHL goalie goes.

Stempniak returned exactly what I was hoping for and what was expected.

Only knock would be Cammalleri but I understand the logic. Perhaps we re-sign him (not a bad thing at all) and/or perhaps showing the rest of the league we're not just giving players away more than makes up for the apparent weak return. Have to try and keep some vets around also, especially the ones that want to be here.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yet we will get nothing for him if we do not sign him because Burke didn't like what was being offered today.

you seem to speak in absolutes yet you really have no idea what Cammy and Burke have discussed and I'm fairly certain this scenario would have come up as neither of them are idiots. Calgary has treated Cammy well and I doubt if he tries to screw the club by just walking, relax and lets see how it plays out

[Flames Draft Watcher]

It turned out to be a bad year to sell a Cammalleri as the market didn't overpay for goal scoring wingers for once. What Burke says is true, big mistakes are made on trade deadline. Unfortunately it seems as a whole the GM's are being a little more careful with their 1st round picks in regards to rentals and not many huge mistakes appeared to be made.

I like what Burke said about not caving in and selling your assets for whatever and how that helps your bargaining position in the future.

Berra - A+ Got more value for him than anyone could or would have hoped for
Stempniak - B+ Got solid value IMO
Cammalleri - Looks like he just wasn't valued highly by the market. To be fair he has been pretty horrible. Sounds like Burke tried his best but based on him not going I'm imagining he only got offered a 4th or a 5th for Cammy
Butler - Not sure why you'd keep him. I guess it does kind of help Abbotsford by not destroying their defensive depth.

So amazing return for Berra, good value for Stempniak. Disappointing that nobody stepped up to the plate and offered a good package for Cammalleri and Butler. Not sure we can blame Burke for getting lowballed. I'm fine with Burke turning down late round pick offers for those two although personally I would've moved them for whatever. His reasoning why they didn't makes perfect sense to me and I hadn't thought of it like that.

[PlayfulGenius]

D for me... Cammi still here is a huge mistake... Berra deal brings it up from an F

[PlayfulGenius]

Some people say it'll be salvaged by Cammi re-signing... For me, that makes it even worse as I don't want him in CGY... He's just a floater now, I hope he walks.

[kyuss275]

Not sure what to grade? Really disappointed that he didn't trade Cammi . Even if a 3rd/4th was the best he could get he should have taken it. It's not like Burke would have been the only one being taking advantage on a rental player. Vanek for a 2nd?

The one thing that I gathered is that gm's are finally getting smart and not giving up huge sums for a rental player. This could be the new thing going forward where players with term left get more than a rental player that might bolt after 20+ games.

The Berra trade was excellent. Be interesting to see if ortio can play like he did tonight for rest of season and force Burke or new GM to stick with him and Ramo for next year.

[Dion]

If someone were to tell me that we'd end up with a 2nd and 3rd round pick I would have been quite happy.

Hearing Burke talk about not wanting to give players away for less than fair value made me wonder what Feaster would have done. Burke said a lot of things in his presser that gave me more confidence we did the right thing in hiring him. His philosophies are really growing on me.

Being able to trade Berra speaks volumes about the goaltending depth and how highly they thought of Ortio.

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Some people say it'll be salvaged by Cammi re-signing... For me, that makes it even worse as I don't want him in CGY... He's just a floater now, I hope he walks.

Wouldn't it be better if he resigned and then we traded him at the deadline next year? That would not be better than getting nothing for him?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Some people say it'll be salvaged by Cammi re-signing... For me, that makes it even worse as I don't want him in CGY... He's just a floater now, I hope he walks.

Cammi is a good role model for the younger players when it comes to conditioning and such. We're going to have to bring in players in an attempt to reach the Cap floor so why resign Cammi.

[Stay Golden]

Trading Berra for a 2nd-A
Trading Stempniak for a 3rd-B
Not getting a trade done with Cammy-D
Not trading Butler-F

[DOOM]

And once again Butler plays a very solid game.....


And just so everyone knows I would of traded him for a 3rd/4th round pick. However, he has been playing very solid for the Flames.

[calumniate]

Well, in relative terms I'd say a b+ for sure. I think we did better than a lot of gm's. Toronto didn't trade anybody. Vancouver didn't get rid of Kessler. Thought we did better than other rebuilding teams like the islanders, sabres and oilers. Montréal and St Louis did the best over the deadline week. Tampa made off great given a tough situation.

Market was soft and I like that Burke values some integrity. Compare the flames to the islanders now.. players have zero respect for nyi, whereas the flames look on the verge of a stable upswing.

[Scoreface]

It's pretty funny that the media glosses over the Berra deal.

Yet, they don't even know who the hell he is.

Larceny by Burke. Grand fashion. I was flabbergasted by this!

Soft goal every other game and makes himself small.

Colorado has their work cut out.

A second round pick!? Wow. People can bemoan and handwring all they want about Kipper being acquired for that, but he had nice numbers in the AHL already, as others have said.

He has the tools, but not the positioning. That, IMO, can't really be taught. It's like teaching a QB to remain poised in the pocket. I've never really felt he had that.

Maybe he can develop more into that, but I'm skeptical.

I give Burke a solid B+ for that deal and for Stemps. He was going to move and it's good for both, as he can be closer to family.

I still think Cammy could have been moved, but Snow dragged his heels and Burke seemed to put too much stock into him and Buffalo (Moulson) setting value.
He should at some point have said, to he'll with this ####, I'm going to make a deal.

But, at the end of the day, he knew what was best and buyers weren't really lining up until they heard about Vanek/Moulson.

With those underwhelming returns, it should come as no surprise that Burke was pretty much offered peanuts for Cammy. He has had a very mediocre season with injury. Probably in the best interest of Burke and maybe even Cammalleri to try to reach a deal and then explore trade options later.

I'm sure Mike would be the first to admit that he has been really banged up and wants to prove himself as a quality top 6 sniper in the league again. The guy CAN score. Just needs good line mates and be healthy. The Flames can't control much of either.

If he re-signs, he'll still top out as a 25 goal scorer. Probably less, but GM's take into account he's on a bad team.

So, long story short, GM's should realize this, and also take into account Burke/Successor won't play chicken in the future. Their word is true. And that's what we want for maximum valuation. That's IF, he re-signs. Either way, other teams know where they stand with Burke at the helm. That in itself is a very good intangible asset.

Lets hope the new GM had this engrained in him. He, of course, will be under Burke's watchful eye. That's ok too, to an extent. I'm very comfortable with checks & balances from a mindful eye.

All that said, still a B+ grade as no assets were realized from Cammy and Butler. But that's alright.

Big holes to fill on a fledgling club if Squid and Butler were to leave. Burke probably didn't think it was worth the miniscule return at this point compared to perhaps re-signing both of them at reasonable cost/term.

Baby steps.

[mister__big]

In the spirit of Conan O'Brien:

If 0 is bad and 10 is good and 40 is mediocre and 35 is excellent, then I give Burke a... 127.

[Oling_Roachinen]

As the day went on it became apparent it wasn't a sellers market. Vanek, Moulson and Gaborik couldn't fetch a first. Unless you were willing to trade the reigning Art Ross winner it looked like they weren't up for grabs.

So I resigned myself to the fact that Burke would likely not come out with much more than a couple 2nd rounders or a 2nd rounder and decent prospect. While he didn't quite get there, and he went a different route in trading Berra instead of Cammalleri, a 2nd and a 3rd wasn't too terrible of a haul.

I definitely would have been sad to learn yesterday that's all they would get but just seeing the Vanek trade and others I'm pretty content. I'd give him a B-.

[Lanny_McDonald]

After hearing more about the Berra deal I don't think Burke deserves all the glory he's getting heaped on him. He admitted that Colorado came calling and asked with the price for Berra was. Burke told them he wouldn't take anything less than a second, and they said deal. This was a short negotiation for a player Burke wasn't dangling. The deal fell into his lap and he quickly pounced on it. Credit due for recognizing when to pull the trigger, but I think given the same circumstances, almost every poster here would have acted in the same fashion. This wasn't a drawn out or tense negotiation. Colorado saw a guy they wanted and happily paid the asking price.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by New Era

After hearing more about the Berra deal I don't think Burke deserves all the glory he's getting heaped on him. He admitted that Colorado came calling and asked with the price for Berra was. Burke told them he wouldn't take anything less than a second, and they said deal. This was a short negotiation for a player Burke wasn't dangling. The deal fell into his lap and he quickly pounced on it. Credit due for recognizing when to pull the trigger, but I think given the same circumstances, almost every poster here would have acted in the same fashion. This wasn't a drawn out or tense negotiation. Colorado saw a guy they wanted and happily paid the asking price.

See I would give Burke more credit for that. Colorado not even trying to negotiate with Burke either screams incompetency or a very high level of 'respect' for him

Every other team has had high asking prices for their rentals for weeks yet all of them took major hits yesterday. Burke getting what he initially asked for Berra is terrific.

[flambers]

I would grade the dead-line as a C-

My thoughts;

1) They gambled with Cammalleri feeling someone would pay the price and it failed. I still expect for the player to be traded around the draft but I expect the return to be minor. (i.e. I doubt he has any intention to re-sign)

2) Flames really needed to find a way to utilize the Cap Space... It was hinted to the media by Feaster and then by Burke... neither of them were able to utilize this to add picks etc,,,

3) Two deals made were decent....


Flames need to find a way to be creative, so far I see none of that.