08-13-2013, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
Not taking sides in your dispute here but I would hardly call puckluck a troll. He has a right to an opinion as much as anyone else here. This place would be pretty boring if we all shared the same views.
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Read my post on the subject (perhaps two posts back). It is great to share opinions, but if you call someone out then have the courtesy to respond to their comments as well. Otherwise is is trolling. Obviously I am not talking about you.
Lots of good posters here clearly respond to assorted comments and many others do not. Pretty common message board we have here.
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08-13-2013, 11:35 PM
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#122
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Read my post on the subject (perhaps two posts back). It is great to share opinions, but if you call someone out then have the courtesy to respond to their comments as well. Otherwise is is trolling. Obviously I am not talking about you.
Lots of good posters here clearly respond to assorted comments and many others do not. Pretty common message board we have here.
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PM me the posts of yours which I ignored. You won't find any because you're making things up. I've never ignored your posts.
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08-14-2013, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
It's only confusing if you never read the "exactly" in the sentence. We don't know whether she was being uncooperative or even resisting but the fact he pulled her out of her car and her facial injuries indicates he lost his temper. This is why this is a news story.
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How can we not know what she was doing and know for sure his frame of mind that caused him to do what he did?
That's the confusing part.
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Are you saying that the bruises support her claim there was abuse? In my opinion, her story is either all true or all false, it cannot fall in the middle somewhere. The visual size of injury barely supports anything, unless you assume they resulted from the officer.
Her face certainly appears to have been forced into the ground, the question is was that warranted? The size of the bruise does not say anything, mean anything and in my opinion should not impact the investigation. Was physical contact justified between the officer and this lady? That is the question.
Like I said, 'hard enough to cause bruising' is very much an individual thing that is different from person to person. Proper procedure can cause the exact same bruising.
I don't think there is a dispute she was cuffed, but at this stage even injuries are up in the air and will have to be proven.
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I am not saying her bruises support anything other than she hit her face on something, which the bolded part of your post seems to indicate you agree with. That part, I am willing to accept as true.
Other obvious parts like she was pulled over, the sheriff came to the window, she didn't initially roll it down, she was taken out of the car and put into handcuffs, I also take as likely true.
Therefore, her story is at least partially true.
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Last edited by Rathji; 08-14-2013 at 05:44 AM.
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08-14-2013, 06:52 AM
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First Line Centre
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Location: Calgary
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Small update on the story, including a couple of pictures of her lying on the ground handcuffed.. The officer involved has been put on desk duty.
http://globalnews.ca/news/772573/cam...exual-assault/
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08-14-2013, 08:26 AM
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Basement Chicken Choker
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I'm not sure what happened in this encounter, but what I am sure of is that the "protest" being organized on her behalf is ridiculous. Let's see, she is allegedly assaulted, and the officer is assigned to desk duty while the incident is being investigated by the RCMP. I'm not sure where the system has failed us - yet. Isn't that about exactly how we should expect things to work?
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08-14-2013, 08:32 AM
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#126
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Read my post on the subject (perhaps two posts back). It is great to share opinions, but if you call someone out then have the courtesy to respond to their comments as well. Otherwise is is trolling. Obviously I am not talking about you.
Lots of good posters here clearly respond to assorted comments and many others do not. Pretty common message board we have here.
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That's rich
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08-14-2013, 10:53 AM
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Offered up a bag of cans for a custom user title
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Originally Posted by valo403
That's rich
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You do the exact same thing. In fact, you once again have searched out a post of mine to start trolling.
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08-14-2013, 11:03 AM
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#128
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Not a casual user
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08-14-2013, 11:13 AM
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#129
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
You do the exact same thing. In fact, you once again have searched out a post of mine to start trolling.
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Searched out, how? I was reading the thread and found it quite hilarious to see you acting all high and mighty about responding to claims when you disappear when asked to do so, repeatedly. Nice glass house, be careful with those rocks.
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08-14-2013, 11:40 AM
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wins 10 internets
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Originally Posted by jammies
I'm not sure what happened in this encounter, but what I am sure of is that the "protest" being organized on her behalf is ridiculous. Let's see, she is allegedly assaulted, and the officer is assigned to desk duty while the incident is being investigated by the RCMP. I'm not sure where the system has failed us - yet. Isn't that about exactly how we should expect things to work?
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Except that when excessive force from cops comes into play, the system always fails. Law enforcement is such a tight fraternal organization that you never see true justice when a cop breaks the law
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08-14-2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
Except that when excessive force from cops comes into play, the system always fails. Law enforcement is such a tight fraternal organization that you never see true justice when a cop breaks the law
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You mean that cop fraternity that every day face anti-police crap from punks, criminals, thugs, and any person that feels they didn't deserve the ticket or infraction? The fraternity that doesn't exactly get a lot of appreciation for putting their lives on the line every day to serve and protect citizens? No kidding they may be tight.
I'm not saying this guy did or didn't do anything wrong here but most officers have been through the whole resisting arrest and uncooperative citizen thing in their careers. If you are an officer are you going to jump to the side of the women when you see this stuff everyday or the side of your fellow officer?
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08-14-2013, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
You mean that cop fraternity that every day face anti-police crap from punks, criminals, thugs, and any person that feels they didn't deserve the ticket or infraction? The fraternity that doesn't exactly get a lot of appreciating for putting their lives on the line every day to serve and protect citizens? No kidding they may be tight.
I'm not saying this guy did or didn't do anything wrong here but most officers have been through the whole resisting arrest and uncooperative citizen thing in their careers. If you are an officer are you going to jump to the side of the women when you see this stuff everyday or the side of your fellow officer?
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I would hope you'd go to the side that involves you telling the truth, but perhaps that's too much to ask.
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08-14-2013, 12:11 PM
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Basement Chicken Choker
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
Except that when excessive force from cops comes into play, the system always fails. Law enforcement is such a tight fraternal organization that you never see true justice when a cop breaks the law
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Really? Never? There has never, ever, not even once, been a cop who has been convicted of using excessive force?
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08-14-2013, 12:11 PM
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Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by valo403
I would hope you'd go to the side that involves you telling the truth, but perhaps that's too much to ask.
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What do you mean here? Are you saying that officers purposely lie all the time to protect other officers? I'm not saying that's never happened but me thinks many of you have watched too many movies.
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08-14-2013, 12:18 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
What do you mean here? Are you saying that officers purposely lie all the time to protect other officers? I'm not saying that's never happened but me thinks many of you have watched too many movies.
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Or read too many cases and spoken to too many prosecutors. Police officers are notorious for closing ranks when it comes to investigating allegations against other police officers.
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08-14-2013, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Or read too many cases and spoken to too many prosecutors. Police officers are notorious for closing ranks when it comes to investigating allegations against other police officers.
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Well there you have it. Definitive evidence that all police officers obstruct justice when it comes to allegations against their own. 
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08-14-2013, 12:23 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
Except that when excessive force from cops comes into play, the system always fails. Law enforcement is such a tight fraternal organization that you never see true justice when a cop breaks the law
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That was true before the SIU came into play here in Ontario. The SIU is a civilian board that investigates any occurance where death or injury occur that involves police and believe me when I tell you they have no problem at all with disciplining police officers who get out of line. I think having that is a necessity, you cannot have police policing police because you are correct that police officers do see eachother as family. Do cops still lie for eachother? Not nearly as much as they did even 20 years ago but I am sure there are some that do and they should not be officers. One of the biggest personal qualities you need to be a good cop is integrity, unfortunately not all of them have it.
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08-14-2013, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Well there you have it. Definitive evidence that all police officers obstruct justice when it comes to allegations against their own. |
Right, because I presented that as definitive evidence and not my opinion based on my experiences and those of people I know. You're ridiculous.
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08-14-2013, 12:28 PM
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First Line Centre
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So any new details about this incident turn up? Or just the typical CP back & forth about who is/isn't a troll?
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