I'm fine with that however asphyxiation via other means would show as well. If you toss a pillow on their face and hold it down they inhale pillow and dust fiber plus there are pressure markings on their face, plus the instinct will be to bite the pillow to clear the air way that shows up as well..
If you sit on their chest its going to leave distinct bruising that would probably be different from the bruising, plus the person's arms and legs would have to be pinned which would then put bruises on the wrists, or if they're not pinned there would be defensive wounds on the hands.
The only other way is the hollywood hand over the mouth while pinching the nose. It doesn't work in real life because of the unpredictable head thrashing and biting.
.I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but forensic people have probably been trained or seen every kind of human on human physical killing and it would have probably been apparent.
This might just be a freak of nature occurrence.
Yes but all of the things you mentioned above are death by asphyxiation, which is what we know. We don't know any more than that. We don't know the bruising, if there were bites, internal damage, skin cells from the snake, or anything yet.
Yah, I can't shake the feeling that there's more to the story than what we know. I hope the police really do a full investigation to cover all the bases. Reading dissentowner's post, it really does seem kind of far fetched that it was the snake killing the kids for food. It just doesnt' seem to add up.
Plus all the herpatologists (or whatever those snake experts are called) from around North America are questioning how this would ever happen and that it doesn't make sense for the snake to behave this way.
I don't think anybody is questioning that it's ridiculous to keep this thing as a pet. Plus they already put it down so they could perform a necroscopy (sp?) and try to determine... I don't know what exactly. Maybe there is something to confirm that the snake actually did this?
I certainly don't think anyone can say "who cares if it doesn't make sense" when a 4 year old and a 6 year old have been killed. If there is any chance it was foul play then it needs to be investigated fully, and that includes consulting snake experts I would think.
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Reminds me of a friend of my niece who started to sleep with her large snake (Don't know the type).
The snake started to act all funny after a couple months, it stopped eating and would constantly lay out stretching itself. They took it to the vet, concerned that it was sick or somehow injured and the vet said that the snake was just preparing for it's next meal, which was going to be extremely large - kind of implying that the kid was the entree.
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Reminds me of a friend of my niece who started to sleep with her large snake (Don't know the type).
The snake started to act all funny after a couple months, it stopped eating and would constantly lay out stretching itself. They took it to the vet, concerned that it was sick or somehow injured and the vet said that the snake was just preparing for it's next meal, which was going to be extremely large - kind of implying that the kid was the entree.
If these kids were killed by the snake, given how powerful they are, doesn't it stand to reason that their ribs would be crushed?
Imo absolutely depending on where and how the snake coiled. An African Rock Python of that size has a huge amount of crushing power, I cannot see how there would not be at least some broken ribs if that is where the main force was applied. This snake was not 20 feet but I have heard of cases of 20 foot snakes having enough pressure to sever the spine of a large prey by constriction. If the snake killed these two children the autopsy should show some serious internal damage.
Reminds me of a friend of my niece who started to sleep with her large snake (Don't know the type).
The snake started to act all funny after a couple months, it stopped eating and would constantly lay out stretching itself. They took it to the vet, concerned that it was sick or somehow injured and the vet said that the snake was just preparing for it's next meal, which was going to be extremely large - kind of implying that the kid was the entree.
Was there a hook on the door?
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So listening to the radio this morning, reports are saying the snake may have actually been left free in the apartment rather than crawling through the vents from the pet store. I wouldn't be surprised if there was even more to the story, and that police are keeping mum for now.
But seriously, I agree with everyone saying this doesn't add up. I'm starting to believe that the snake did probably kill the children, but based on known facts I'd be shocked if the adult(s) in the apartment weren't, at minimum, found to be criminally negligent. I'm not usually one to judge the caretakers of a child in a situation like this (specifically thinking of the wild dog zoo death), but this reeks of a long string of extremely poor choices over a long period leading up to the event. I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be foul play.
Im glad the science community is asking questions to keep the police investigating this.
Is it the scientific community, though, or is it a bunch of dudes on the Internet that like snakes? I don't know dissentowner, so correct me if I'm wrong, but why do you think he's a scientist? I just don't get that impression.
...In 1979, a 14.9 ft (4.5 m) python killed a 13-year-old boy.[17] In Carlyle, Illinois in the summer of 1999 a 3-year-old boy was suffocated during the night by an escaped 7.5 ft specimen.[23] On Easter weekend of 2009, Kenyan farmer Ben Nyaumbe was attacked after stepping on a specimen and was dragged up a tree by the snake, but managed to escape after calling for help on his mobile phone.
No reasonable person would say we shouldn't fully investigate what happened, but the most plausible theory at this point is the giant snake that was found in the same room with the kids, that died in a manner consistent with how giant snakes kill, killed them. There is precedent for human attacks and the kids are the same size (or smaller) than photos of snakes killing pigs and antelope (photos on the wiki page I linked).
Is it the scientific community, though, or is it a bunch of dudes on the Internet that like snakes? I don't know dissentowner, so correct me if I'm wrong, but why do you think he's a scientist? I just don't get that impression.
No reasonable person would say we shouldn't fully investigate what happened, but the most plausible theory at this point is the giant snake that was found in the same room with the kids, that died in a manner consistent with how giant snakes kill, killed them. There is precedent for human attacks and the kids are the same size (or smaller) than photos of snakes killing pigs and antelope (photos on the wiki page I linked).
Of those people that were killed, how many were multiple deaths by the same snake in the same day? No one is saying this snake wasn't capable of killing a child, as a matter of fact, most of the experts are saying that this type of snake is aggresive and should be handled with caution. It's the fact that the snake was able to kill two kids without the second one waking up and without eating the the first one.
More than likely the snake did it but there are a few reasons to ask questions.
