Well we all knew that the cause of death would be that but I hope they dig deeper because it still doesn't add up. Was there bad bite wounds? Was there internal damage? Were the boys beside eachother?
Yeah, why is there so much focus on the 15' python that escaped from its enclosure into the room where the boys were sleeping?
Everyone thinks the snake attacked - is it possible, at that size, that it simply curled up on top of them for warmth, and they suffocated from the weight?
Yeah, why is there so much focus on the 15' python that escaped from its enclosure into the room where the boys were sleeping?
Because if you are going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake you are going to asphixiate them. If you anything at all about snakes you would know they don't just go around killing people, this is not Hollywood. If it was one kid who had been playing with the scent of prey and the snake had tried to eat him it might be believable but the Uncle is saying this snake got loose somehow from a secure tank it had never escaped before, went through the ventilation system, crashed through a ceiling, and then attacked one child first, killed him, let him go without any attempt at eating him, and then attacked another boy the same way? Does that not send any kind of red flag to you? Lets look at the facts in issue here.
1. Snakes only suffocate their prey when they want to eat, when they are frightened or stressed they will strike bite repeatedly, not coil.
2. The odds of the snake killing one boy and letting him go and then moving onto yet another boy and doing the same thing is unbelievable. I would say you have better odds of winning 6/49.
3. The Uncle says the boys were playing with goats, and other farm animals and then never washed after. Really? What parent after their kids play in the dirt and with farm animals does not haul their kids into the tub that night? If the kids were exposed to these type of animals like we know they are then surely those adults around obviously know you don't leave those smells around. It doesn't make sense.
4. A snake kills its prey by taking up the slack every time it's prey takes a breath. If you have never seen a big snake do this to a prey animal that's alive I can tell you that animal squeals like hell. How did the other boy not hear his brother? How did nobody else hear it in the building? And if the other brother did why in the hell would he not run for help or just get the hell out of there?
5. When snakes are stressed they do not eat. I have seen many cases where a snake was stressed out by a minor thing like a respiratory infection or in one case a guys snake stopped eating after he got a drum set because the noise stressed it out. So a snake falls out of the damn ceiling and he is suddenly hungry? Um no.
6. If I was going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake what would be the way you would do it? Obviously by asphyxiation.
7. How in the hell does a giant snake gets its body under somebody sleeping without lifting them up and awakening them?
Look, I am not saying it absolutely could not have been the snake, I am saying this would have to be one of the biggest freak deaths in history. The intial report of the cause of death as asphyxiation means nothing. I really hope they dig deeper.
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I still don't get what doesn't add up. The kids died from a snake. What is it that you're looking for? You've been pretty vague through this thread.
Because anybody who knows snakes will tell you this story has way too many holes in it. How can you conclude the kids died from the snake? Are you in the know of stuff everyone else does not?
Because if you are going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake you are going to asphixiate them. If you anything at all about snakes you would know they don't just go around killing people, this is not Hollywood. If it was one kid who had been playing with the scent of prey and the snake had tried to eat him it might be believable but the Uncle is saying this snake got loose somehow from a secure tank it had never escaped before, went through the ventilation system, crashed through a ceiling, and then attacked one child first, killed him, let him go without any attempt at eating him, and then attacked another boy the same way? Does that not send any kind of red flag to you? Lets look at the facts in issue here.
1. Snakes only suffocate their prey when they want to eat, when they are frightened or stressed they will strike bite repeatedly, not coil.
2. The odds of the snake killing one boy and letting him go and then moving onto yet another boy and doing the same thing is unbelievable. I would say you have better odds of winning 6/49.
3. The Uncle says the boys were playing with goats, and other farm animals and then never washed after. Really? What parent after their kids play in the dirt and with farm animals does not haul their kids into the tub that night? If the kids were exposed to these type of animals like we know they are then surely those adults around obviously know you don't leave those smells around. It doesn't make sense.
4. A snake kills its prey by taking up the slack every time it's prey takes a breath. If you have never seen a big snake do this to a prey animal that's alive I can tell you that animal squeals like hell. How did the other boy not hear his brother? How did nobody else hear it in the building? And if the other brother did why in the hell would he not run for help or just get the hell out of there?
5. When snakes are stressed they do not eat. I have seen many cases where a snake was stressed out by a minor thing like a respiratory infection or in one case a guys snake stopped eating after he got a drum set because the noise stressed it out. So a snake falls out of the damn ceiling and he is suddenly hungry? Um no.
6. If I was going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake what would be the way you would do it? Obviously by asphyxiation.
7. How in the hell does a giant snake gets its body under somebody sleeping without lifting them up and awakening them?
Look, I am not saying it absolutely could not have been the snake, I am saying this would have to be one of the biggest freak deaths in history. The intial report of the cause of death as asphyxiation means nothing. I really hope they dig deeper.
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“It’d be like getting struck by lightning twice in one day,” said Matt Korhonen, general curator at Little Ray’s Reptile Zoo.
“The fact that this snake escaped ... and killed two kids is very much a freak accident.”
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James Bogart, a retired professor and reptile specialist at the University of Guelph in Ontario, said it doesn’t make sense to him that the snake would strangle the two boys and then leave their bodies alone.
“They’re not malicious creatures — they go after things for food,” Bogart said.
“It just doesn’t make sense to me that it would actually strangle two boys and leave them. I’m not sure why it would kill one and then kill the other one. It really doesn’t make sense.”
Who cares if it doesn't make sense, it happened. Kill the snake. Close down the reptile store. Put laws in place for reptile stores so this doesn't happen again. Two boys are dead and everyone wants to play murder mystery.
Dissentowner. Take a step back and put it in perspective. The snake had the opportunity to do what it did because of a negligent (and likely moronic) human being. The reason the snake killed the boys was because of an idiot parent / adult.
You come across as a guy vehemently supporting an athlete on their home team even if the evidence points to them doing the crime (see Bertuzzi, Todd).
Who cares if it doesn't make sense, it happened. Kill the snake. Close down the reptile store. Put laws in place for reptile stores so this doesn't happen again. Two boys are dead and everyone wants to play murder mystery.
Huh?
First, they already killed the snake. Second, laws are only as good as their enforcement, and based on some of what has come out it doesn't look like there was much interest in complying with basic sense, let alone laws, among these owners. Third, "playing murder mystery" could also be called asking for a further investigation to make sure there isn't more to the story, which is what people should want.
I don't know much about snakes, but it sure seems to be an incredibly odd case that requires more than a 'yep, snake did it' investigation.
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Dissentowner. Take a step back and put it in perspective. The snake had the opportunity to do what it did because of a negligent (and likely moronic) human being. The reason the snake killed the boys was because of an idiot parent / adult.
You come across as a guy vehemently supporting an athlete on their home team even if the evidence points to them doing the crime (see Bertuzzi, Todd).
Actually he comes across as a guy providing information about snakes that makes the initial conclusion seem odd. Negligent ownership or not, this type of behavior seems to be completely out of line for how these animals act regardless of who owns them, which should raise a red flag.
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Dissentowner. Take a step back and put it in perspective. The snake had the opportunity to do what it did because of a negligent (and likely moronic) human being. The reason the snake killed the boys was because of an idiot parent / adult.
You come across as a guy vehemently supporting an athlete on their home team even if the evidence points to them doing the crime (see Bertuzzi, Todd).
Actually I come across as a guy who given the information has many questions as to what happened. I would say the evidence points more toward the snake not being the cuplrit here given what I know. There may be information the conclusively points to the snake here but I have yet to see it. I have given why I question these deaths as an attack by a snake and your conclusion is I am just defending the snake but even though I know snakes very well I would still question this if I did not. If this was a different animal of any type I still would question it.
I'm not buying the theory that the snake killed them by falling on them and suffocating them that way. I believe there could be more human involvement in this then what has been uncovered so far.
I'm not a snake advocate either in fact I would participate in Snake Whacking day if I lived on the Simpsons.
Because if you are going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake you are going to asphixiate them. If you anything at all about snakes you would know they don't just go around killing people, this is not Hollywood. If it was one kid who had been playing with the scent of prey and the snake had tried to eat him it might be believable but the Uncle is saying this snake got loose somehow from a secure tank it had never escaped before, went through the ventilation system, crashed through a ceiling, and then attacked one child first, killed him, let him go without any attempt at eating him, and then attacked another boy the same way? Does that not send any kind of red flag to you? Lets look at the facts in issue here.
1. Snakes only suffocate their prey when they want to eat, when they are frightened or stressed they will strike bite repeatedly, not coil.
2. The odds of the snake killing one boy and letting him go and then moving onto yet another boy and doing the same thing is unbelievable. I would say you have better odds of winning 6/49.
3. The Uncle says the boys were playing with goats, and other farm animals and then never washed after. Really? What parent after their kids play in the dirt and with farm animals does not haul their kids into the tub that night? If the kids were exposed to these type of animals like we know they are then surely those adults around obviously know you don't leave those smells around. It doesn't make sense.
4. A snake kills its prey by taking up the slack every time it's prey takes a breath. If you have never seen a big snake do this to a prey animal that's alive I can tell you that animal squeals like hell. How did the other boy not hear his brother? How did nobody else hear it in the building? And if the other brother did why in the hell would he not run for help or just get the hell out of there?
5. When snakes are stressed they do not eat. I have seen many cases where a snake was stressed out by a minor thing like a respiratory infection or in one case a guys snake stopped eating after he got a drum set because the noise stressed it out. So a snake falls out of the damn ceiling and he is suddenly hungry? Um no.
6. If I was going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake what would be the way you would do it? Obviously by asphyxiation.
7. How in the hell does a giant snake gets its body under somebody sleeping without lifting them up and awakening them?
Look, I am not saying it absolutely could not have been the snake, I am saying this would have to be one of the biggest freak deaths in history. The intial report of the cause of death as asphyxiation means nothing. I really hope they dig deeper.
Thanks, that's more like what I was looking for. I honestly had no idea what you thought was so fishy about this until this post.
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Because if you are going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake you are going to asphixiate them. If you anything at all about snakes you would know they don't just go around killing people, this is not Hollywood. If it was one kid who had been playing with the scent of prey and the snake had tried to eat him it might be believable but the Uncle is saying this snake got loose somehow from a secure tank it had never escaped before, went through the ventilation system, crashed through a ceiling, and then attacked one child first, killed him, let him go without any attempt at eating him, and then attacked another boy the same way? Does that not send any kind of red flag to you? Lets look at the facts in issue here.
1. Snakes only suffocate their prey when they want to eat, when they are frightened or stressed they will strike bite repeatedly, not coil.
2. The odds of the snake killing one boy and letting him go and then moving onto yet another boy and doing the same thing is unbelievable. I would say you have better odds of winning 6/49.
3. The Uncle says the boys were playing with goats, and other farm animals and then never washed after. Really? What parent after their kids play in the dirt and with farm animals does not haul their kids into the tub that night? If the kids were exposed to these type of animals like we know they are then surely those adults around obviously know you don't leave those smells around. It doesn't make sense.
4. A snake kills its prey by taking up the slack every time it's prey takes a breath. If you have never seen a big snake do this to a prey animal that's alive I can tell you that animal squeals like hell. How did the other boy not hear his brother? How did nobody else hear it in the building? And if the other brother did why in the hell would he not run for help or just get the hell out of there?
5. When snakes are stressed they do not eat. I have seen many cases where a snake was stressed out by a minor thing like a respiratory infection or in one case a guys snake stopped eating after he got a drum set because the noise stressed it out. So a snake falls out of the damn ceiling and he is suddenly hungry? Um no.
6. If I was going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake what would be the way you would do it? Obviously by asphyxiation.
7. How in the hell does a giant snake gets its body under somebody sleeping without lifting them up and awakening them?
Look, I am not saying it absolutely could not have been the snake, I am saying this would have to be one of the biggest freak deaths in history. The intial report of the cause of death as asphyxiation means nothing. I really hope they dig deeper.
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It would be interesting to know what sort of relationship these various adults had with the children; did the father or store owner have any sort of reason to want the boys dead? Also would it be too far out there that one of them unleashed the snake in the room with the boys, and locked the door with them in it? I know committing murder using a snake sounds nonsensical, but so does this story in the first place. But you'd probably get away with the crime this way rather than through their own hands.
Who cares if it doesn't make sense, it happened. Kill the snake. Close down the reptile store. Put laws in place for reptile stores so this doesn't happen again. Two boys are dead and everyone wants to play murder mystery.
Yes, just slap up some laws blindly. No point in actually trying to determine and understand what happened.
Because if you are going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake you are going to asphixiate them. If you anything at all about snakes you would know they don't just go around killing people, this is not Hollywood. If it was one kid who had been playing with the scent of prey and the snake had tried to eat him it might be believable but the Uncle is saying this snake got loose somehow from a secure tank it had never escaped before, went through the ventilation system, crashed through a ceiling, and then attacked one child first, killed him, let him go without any attempt at eating him, and then attacked another boy the same way? Does that not send any kind of red flag to you? Lets look at the facts in issue here.
1. Snakes only suffocate their prey when they want to eat, when they are frightened or stressed they will strike bite repeatedly, not coil.
2. The odds of the snake killing one boy and letting him go and then moving onto yet another boy and doing the same thing is unbelievable. I would say you have better odds of winning 6/49.
3. The Uncle says the boys were playing with goats, and other farm animals and then never washed after. Really? What parent after their kids play in the dirt and with farm animals does not haul their kids into the tub that night? If the kids were exposed to these type of animals like we know they are then surely those adults around obviously know you don't leave those smells around. It doesn't make sense.
4. A snake kills its prey by taking up the slack every time it's prey takes a breath. If you have never seen a big snake do this to a prey animal that's alive I can tell you that animal squeals like hell. How did the other boy not hear his brother? How did nobody else hear it in the building? And if the other brother did why in the hell would he not run for help or just get the hell out of there?
5. When snakes are stressed they do not eat. I have seen many cases where a snake was stressed out by a minor thing like a respiratory infection or in one case a guys snake stopped eating after he got a drum set because the noise stressed it out. So a snake falls out of the damn ceiling and he is suddenly hungry? Um no.
6. If I was going to kill somebody and blame it on a snake what would be the way you would do it? Obviously by asphyxiation.
7. How in the hell does a giant snake gets its body under somebody sleeping without lifting them up and awakening them?
Look, I am not saying it absolutely could not have been the snake, I am saying this would have to be one of the biggest freak deaths in history. The intial report of the cause of death as asphyxiation means nothing. I really hope they dig deeper.
I'm fine with that however asphyxiation via other means would show as well. If you toss a pillow on their face and hold it down they inhale pillow and dust fiber plus there are pressure markings on their face, plus the instinct will be to bite the pillow to clear the air way that shows up as well..
If you sit on their chest its going to leave distinct bruising that would probably be different from the bruising, plus the person's arms and legs would have to be pinned which would then put bruises on the wrists, or if they're not pinned there would be defensive wounds on the hands.
The only other way is the hollywood hand over the mouth while pinching the nose. It doesn't work in real life because of the unpredictable head thrashing and biting.
.I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but forensic people have probably been trained or seen every kind of human on human physical killing and it would have probably been apparent.
This might just be a freak of nature occurrence.
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Honestly I hope it turns out to be a big freak accident and the snake was what killed them. I don't think that is what happened but I would rather that turn out to be the case then to find out these kids had somebody close to them that would kill them. Nobody shoud keep Rock Pythons anyhow, they don't make good pets. Same with most Reticulated Pythons and Anaconda's, usually pretty crappy temperment. Red Tail Boa's and Burmese though are usually very gentle. I really think there should be a mandatory course and license to keep any snake over 5 feet in length.
