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Old 07-05-2013, 09:12 PM   #121
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Id rather take our chances with Breen than look to Butler.

Not happy about this, but still hopeful he ends up in the press box.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:26 PM   #122
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I for one think that he turned the corner at the end of the season. He was playing more physical and was visibly more aggresive. Hope this continues throughout next season.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:22 PM   #123
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Because Butler is a better player right now. He's been good enough to play for the last two USA World Championship teams yet Flames fans feel a slow skating AHL defenseman is better?
You know a lot of bad players play in the World Championships? Now if he plays in the Olympics, thats a different story. Pretty much nobody cares about the WC.

As for Butler... meh. Don't really care, a high draft pick would be great.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:15 AM   #124
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Interesting article on Billins:

http://mihockeynow.com/2013/01/chad-...with-griffins/

Sounds like he was a PPG player/PP specialist but knew enough to slow down and work on his D.

Could be an interesting signing there... love how our scouts are all over the place trying to find hidden gems.
Hah his partner was Brennan Evans.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:23 AM   #125
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As for Butler for whatever reason he is the subject of a zany amount of fan irrationality and hyperbole. He is neither great nor horrible. I think it will be funny if he ends up getting traded in the future because that will be one important indicator of his value and it seems that some of you would be surprised if he returned anything valuable back at all.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:26 AM   #126
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Let me know when one of these guys Feaster "finds" actually pans out. That's one thing you have to give Sutter credit for. He may not have been great at evaluating talent via the draft, but at least he made up for it in finding key players for the Flames outside the box (Kiprusoff, Giordano, Huselius, Glencross, etc). So quite often what ever talent we lost in the draft was made up for elsewhere.

Meanwhile Feaster hasn't proven much going the same route, as all of his guys have either not worked out at all (Jones, Comeau, Butler, Cervanka), or never made the team at all. Finding outside the box players is great in theory, but thus far Feaster hasn't had much success, lets hope things change with Berra, Ramo, and the like.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:31 AM   #127
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As for Butler for whatever reason he is the subject of a zany amount of fan irrationality and hyperbole. He is neither great nor horrible. I think it will be funny if he ends up getting traded in the future because that will be one important indicator of his value and it seems that some of you would be surprised if he returned anything valuable back at all.
Call it irrational if you want to, but I honestly think Babchuk contributed more in less time. Babchuk's numbers with the Flames are superior to Butler's, even in blocked shots. There are posters on record saying Babchuk can't even skate backwards.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:43 AM   #128
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Everyone take a deep breath.

We're rebuilding now.

Don't expect us to have 6 clones of Niklas Lidstrom.

Having a player like Butler on our roster - at this point in time - is just what we need to land a top 3 pick in 2014. Anything other action means we'll keep finishing 17th in the league overall indefinitely.
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:12 AM   #129
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I just don't understand this.. Butler is the worst.
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:42 AM   #130
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also Butler contract growth up:
2011-2012 - $1,300,000 (cap hit $1,250,000)
2012-2013 - $1,200,000 (cap hit $1,250,000)

2013-2014 - $1,700,000
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:59 AM   #131
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This is like Stajan 2.0. I hope he's able to turn it around just like he did.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:17 AM   #132
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Let me know when one of these guys Feaster "finds" actually pans out.
I think Horak is turning out quite nicely.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:39 AM   #134
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As for Butler for whatever reason he is the subject of a zany amount of fan irrationality and hyperbole. He is neither great nor horrible. I think it will be funny if he ends up getting traded in the future because that will be one important indicator of his value and it seems that some of you would be surprised if he returned anything valuable back at all.
Butler's following in the footsteps of Regehr and Bouwmeester in being the subject of over the top criticism based on group think and irrationality. There are some warts to his game, but on a 1 year deal at $1.7M he's a perfectly fine option to fill a 4-6 role.
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Butler isn't as bad as people make him out to be. This place can be a real peanut gallery sometimes.

The average NHL salary was $2.5 million last year. Butler is making 2/3rd the average salary.
And as such, Butler is a below average NHL player (if average is No 3 defenseman, where Butler is No 6/7 D)...
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:24 PM   #136
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As for Butler for whatever reason he is the subject of a zany amount of fan irrationality and hyperbole.
Groupthink and herd mentality.
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Groupthink and herd mentality coupled with poor positional play, low hockey iq, and a complete disinterest in any physical play in front of the net.
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No, you most certainly did not "fyp". You actually just proved my point.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:04 PM   #139
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:42 AM   #140
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Has anyone said this yet?

I love the Butler signing.

Top 3 pick vs. just barely missing the playoffs? Easy decision. CP out of touch with reality as usual.

THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING - stop demanding that we have an all-star D-core.
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