[Rumour] Flames listening to offers for Tanguay, Stempniak and Sarich

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I don't know whether ownership would be open to it, but I've suggested that the Flames could compliance buyout other teams players and receive an asset in return.

Say, something like this as an example:

Lecavalier + 2nd rounder - to Calgary

7th rounder (or other garbage) - to TB

Calgary then buys out Lecavalier, essentially buying an extra pick for cash.

Kinda wanted Vinny for the actual sake of having him. I understand what you are saying, but that's a lot of money for a second rounder and a massive act of futility.

[drPepper1]

Just saw tsn's clip of gm meetings discussing visors, you can see the back of Feasters head and he's having a one on one convo with Montreal's GM. Trade talks?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That is a very expensive 2nd round pick

Originally Posted by _Q_

I think taking on that much salary is a massive overpayment for a second rounder.

Just an example of how it could work. Obviously, the specific deal would be different. It probably wouldn't work for Lecavalier because his buyout amount is $30 million. I was just using Lecavalier because the post I quoted mentioned him.

Would taking a $10 million buyout from some team return a first rounder for the Flames? Perhaps, it might be worth exploring.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

No kidding..........huge, huge pass on Horton. Or anyone else seeking 5/6/7 million on a multi-year deal.

This is the perfect time to load up on young players and let them get a ton of ice time over the next couple years. Of course you want a few vets sprinkled in, and you have to spend enough to at least get to the floor, but this is the time to tear it all all down and start from scratch. Bringing in guys like Horton (or Letang) on a large contract is the last thing the Flames should do. Let another team pay them the huge cash for the next few years and then when the Flames are actually a contender again they can go out and bring in bigger contracts.

Huge pass on a big center entering his prime?

The only concern I have with him is injury problems lately, moving him back to his natural center position might help that. But to say you don't want him because he would command large $$$ is crazy. The guy is a huge/fast 230lb near PPG player who just turned 28

The thinking around here is getting "Oiler like"...lets suck with youth and let them grow. I hope the flames brass at least try to build a competitive team with all resources..cap space being one of them.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Kinda wanted Vinny for the actual sake of having him. I understand what you are saying, but that's a lot of money for a second rounder and a massive act of futility.

Having him for one year might be great. Unfortunately, you can't trade for him without his contract.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by T@T

Huge pass on a big center entering his prime?

The only concern I have with him is injury problems lately, moving him back to his natural center position might help that. But to say you don't want him because he would command large $$$ is crazy. The guy is a huge/fast 230lb near PPG player who just turned 28

The thinking around here is getting "Oiler like"...lets suck with youth and let them grow. I hope the flames brass at least try to build a competitive team with all resources..cap space being one of them.

He was listed as a centre in his draft year and has never played as a centre. He's as much a 'big centre' as Iginla (listed as a C in his draft year)

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Having him for one year might be great. Unfortunately, you can't trade for him without his contract.

Yes, I understand that. That's why I said I would want him for actually wanting him. Not aquiring him and buying him out- like you suggested. Kinda redundant at that point- all to get a seconder rounder who may not even make the bigs ? You never take a financial commitment for something that may not even pan out~ ala 2nd rounder who may never make the NHL yet you are paying the price for him. That's just not smart business. No offence.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

Huge pass on a big center entering his prime?

The only concern I have with him is injury problems lately, moving him back to his natural center position might help that. But to say you don't want him because he would command large $$$ is crazy. The guy is a huge/fast 230lb near PPG player who just turned 28

Calling him a center is a bit of a stretch considering he has played it all of one season in his career and that was the only time he had over 100 FO's in a season. Not only is he not a center he seems like a guy that isn't even the 2nd choice to take FO's on his line.

He hasn't had a single season when he was near PPG. He had an injury shortened season at .7 PPG and a career average of .68. Not awful but not near PPG either.

I think people don't want to throw money at a secondary guy with injury issues and likely only coming for an overpay on a team that is going to struggle (at best) to make the play-offs for the next 3-4 years.

Much better to wait to throw money like that in a year or two when you see where the team is at and who of the young guys has stepped forward to best identify the team needs when they will actually be competitive.

[OILFAN #81]

Did someone really suggest Glencross for #4 overall?

From these, I think Stempniak as the most value. He can be a good 2nd line winger on some teams.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Did someone really suggest Glencross for #4 overall?

From these, I think Stempniak as the most value. He can be a good 2nd line winger on some teams.

Someone did. However, Glenny is a much more valuable player than Stemps IMO and has yet to reach his true potential. No reason to even talk about Glenny- he has a NMC for a reason and won't be talked out of it. It's a non- starter.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Someone did. However, Glenny is a much more valuable player than Stemps IMO and has yet to reach his true potential. No reason to even talk about Glenny- he has a NMC for a reason and won't be talked out of it. It's a non- starter.

I agree Glencross has more value then Stempniak. I was saying out of Stempniak, Tanguay, and Sarich, that Stempniak has the most value. And in terms of Glencross, no way IMO that he would get the #4 overall pick. Not close IMO.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by T@T

Huge pass on a big center entering his prime?

The only concern I have with him is injury problems lately, moving him back to his natural center position might help that. But to say you don't want him because he would command large $$$ is crazy. The guy is a huge/fast 230lb near PPG player who just turned 28

The thinking around here is getting "Oiler like"...lets suck with youth and let them grow. I hope the flames brass at least try to build a competitive team with all resources..cap space being one of them.

moon pretty much covered it all for me............he's not a center, he's got obvious shoulder issues (and concussions in the past) and even at 28 is too old to be throwing 6 million + at on a long term deal.

The Flames are going to be bad for at least a couple years.........if they're going to be throwing around a lot of money at a player it better be for a young stud to lock up him to a long term deal. Horton is a good player, but not the right fit for the Flames right now.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I agree Glencross has more value then Stempniak. I was saying out of Stempniak, Tanguay, and Sarich, that Stempniak has the most value. And in terms of Glencross, no way IMO that he would get the #4 overall pick. Not close IMO.

I'm pretty sure that they meant that they would package 6 along with Glencross for the 4th pick.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I hope nobody has ever even suggested the notion of a trade to Glencross.

The guy left millions of dollars on the table because he wants to play for the Flames. That's *exactly* what the team needs more of.

6th overall plus Stempniak might be enough to move up to 4th overall. Depends on Nashville's draft board. I would never do it if I was in charge of Nashville because I think Barkov can be a franchise player, but I'm just some bum on he Internet.

I'm in favour of Feaster offering all 3 first rounders and/or the moon for any pick that still has Barkov available.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I agree Glencross has more value then Stempniak. I was saying out of Stempniak, Tanguay, and Sarich, that Stempniak has the most value. And in terms of Glencross, no way IMO that he would get the #4 overall pick. Not close IMO.

No, of course not- not on his own. But again, it's a non-starter as Glenny is not going anywhere- not even sure why (not you) others even talk about it. He is the cheapest potential 30 goal scorer in the league and took a massive discount to be close to home and NOT be moved- that was the deal and people keep forgetting that. Not to mention, you don't move a 2.5 mill a yr/ possible 30 goal scorer who is under contract for a few more years.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I'm pretty sure that they meant that they would package 6 along with Glencross for the 4th pick.

Originally Posted by cowtown75

No, of course not- not on his own. But again, it's a non-starter as Glenny is not going anywhere- not even sure why (not you) others even talk about it. He is the cheapest potential 30 goal scorer in the league and took a massive discount to be close to home and NOT be moved- that was the deal and people keep forgetting that. Not to mention, you don't move a 2.5 mill a yr/ possible 30 goal scorer who is under contract for a few more years.

Ah that makes more sense. And yes I agree, Calgary should focus on moving the others mentioned first.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by badradio

I think people are WAY over valuing draft picks compared to roster players.

No kidding.

With each passing day, Flame fans are becoming more and more like Oiler fans.

"let's trade Stempniak (arguably our best forward last year) for a 3rd round pick!"

"let's trade everyone over 25 for picks"

"let's trade Glencross to move up 2 spots in the draft"

Good fataing God.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No kidding.

With each passing day, Flame fans are becoming more and more like Oiler fans.

"let's trade Stempniak (arguably our best forward last year) for a 3rd round pick!"

"let's trade everyone over 25 for picks"

"let's trade Glencross to move up 2 spots in the draft"

Good fataing God.

You forgot
"Let's take on 10-30 million dollars in compliance buyout for a mediocre pick"
Of course that has nothing to do with Oil fans but it's just as silly.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow, and with the rumours of Cammalleri as well it seems like Feaster is using a 'Scorched Earth' strategy here.

Seriously though, Sarich? I know some people love the prospect of getting something for him for the sake of asset management, but without him this team is insanely soft.

Sarich has hinted he is unhappy. We all know Tanguay isn't happy. The rumor is Cammalleri asked to be moved.

There is a difference between choosing to trade everyone and everyone asking to be traded. The last thing you want is players influencing your youth that hate being apart of the rebuild.

I would much rather sign a couple vets to allow them to play bigger roles than they have in the past who would be a good influence on the youth.

to dumb it down.... more Joey MacDonald's and less Tanguay's.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Kinda wanted Vinny for the actual sake of having him. I understand what you are saying, but that's a lot of money for a second rounder and a massive act of futility.

If the Lightning want to buy out Vinny, then by all means the Flames should kick some tires on him. I agree with you, he's still a useful player. Not a 77 million dollar player, but a 4/20 guy? Absolutely.