Calgary offers picks 6, 22, 28 for the first overall: no dice

[Badger Bob]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Except this year early-mid 2nds are being compared to late firsts in previous drafts. This is an exceptional year.

While that have some legs, nobody will be able to assess until about 5 years from now. The hype's got to be built up to get people to tune into TSN after the Cup is hoisted. Meantime, somebody should do some research on previous drafts to see the % of 2nd rounders who had significant NHL careers.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Same here. The kid has been a man playing with kids for a while. His dad was a big guy and he's got the same genes. Once he starts playing with men I think he will have trouble.

I think hes going to be an nhler but not number one overall material or top 3 to be honest.

Not true, did you see him at the combine? Seth Jones is not a man yet...Mackinnon is much more physically developed, is Monahan and all the other top guys.

[doctajones428]

Sorry but if it went through and we landed NATE MACKINNON, CP would be erupting with joy despite the few that said this was an overpayment

[Roof-Daddy]

We should have POLL here.

1. You wish the Avs had agreed to the trade
2. You are glad they declined the trade

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You need both. You need star players and you need depth. Just because the Flames totally failed to build depth around our previous star player doesn't mean we don't need one going forward either or that trying to get one is a bad idea.

Yeah, there's way too much over-simplifying going on this thread by posters who want to make definitive statements. Building a hockey team just isn't as simple as many posters seem to think it is.

"We already tried building around a star, look where that got us; So therefore it would be ######ed to trade for Mackinnon".

"If we trade three first round picks for Mackinnon, he may end up like Yakupov, and that would be a disaster"

"In 1993 Alexandre Daigle was projected to be a franchise player......so that could happen here, too, so therefore why would you try to move up for Mackinnon?".

I think too many posters just look at successful hockey teams adn try to cherry pick things they did well and assume that's how easy it is.

"Well Pittsburgh did this, and they won a cup, so why would the Flames do something different? Why can't NHL GM's see what I'm seeing from beyhind my keyboard? It's so simple; Do what a recent Stanley Cup winner did, and you'll have a cup within five years. Don't do what a recent Stanley cup winner did and the GM is ######ed and should be fired immeditaly."

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Let's wait before he actually plays a NHL game before saying he'll be on par with Crosby, Malkin, etc. Because I highly doubt he will be.

I never said he's on par with any of those players...

But nobody can deny that he has top 3 player in the league potential. He also has one of the best heads on his shoulders in the draft.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Haven't the foggiest why people are shocked/angry/disgusted etc.

Of course you do.

And I'll bet that if the story was "Colorado offered #1 overall for the Flames' three first rounders but the Flames said 'no'", the very same people trashing Feaster in this thread would trash him in that scenario for turning it down.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I never said he's on par with any of those players...

But nobody can deny that he has top 3 player in the league potential. He also has one of the best heads on his shoulders in the draft.

Well, a constant 100 point player is Malkin, Crosby, etc. I just don't see him having that upside. PPG upside while being very good defensively is what I see him becoming.

[ignite09]

No way the Flames already offered this to Florida. It is not nearly as much of a sure thing that Colorado takes Jones as some think. The offer will be made to Florida only if the Avs take Jones first.

[GGG]

Ths deal really doesnt make sense for Colorado. They desparately need defense, they need NHL ready players to compliment their other top pics, Jones is from Denver.

I dont think we have anything we could offer to Colorado to get them to give up the pick. And if they are picking Mackinnon that means they love him even more despite all of the things listed above. So there would be no getting The pick from them.

If Jones goes first I hope Feaster makes the offer to Florida.

Outside of Mackinnon I would only give up one of the late firsts to move up.

[timbit]

Jones is the most certain Franchise player in this draft. However, the Flames just have too many needs. Would not do the deal if I was in Colorado or Flames shoes. Colorado has lots of spots filled but need a 1 D....Calgary has very few spots covered. Way too many holes


Pass.

[dammage79]

I would honestly prefer if the Flames threw as much mud at the wall and they can and see what sticks. MacKinnon would be amazing if Colorado took the bait but it's clear the cost is far too high for even FLA to entertain the idea.

I hope they don't trade up anymore. I let myself get too high of hopes on players like Hartman, Zykov, Mueller, Morrissey etc.becoming a flame in any combo along with a player like Monahan or Lindholm. any combination like that is far too tantillizing to me than just one stud.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by ignite09

No way the Flames already offered this to Florida. It is not nearly as much of a sure thing that Colorado takes Jones as some think. The offer will be made to Florida only if the Avs take Jones first.

But can't the principle agreement be in place prior to the draft? Things move pretty on the clock day of draft..

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You need both. You need star players and you need depth. Just because the Flames totally failed to build depth around our previous star player doesn't mean we don't need one going forward either or that trying to get one is a bad idea.

The Flames are going to suck so badly for the next two or three seasons that they will have an honest shot at one of those star players in future drafts. It would be stupid to trade away three firsts in a deep draft. Also, there is still potential that you'll get a star player player with one of those picks. Corey Perry went 28th in 2003. So looking back at that draft would you trade Milan Michalek, Mark Stuart and Corey Perry for M-A Fleury?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

Ths deal really doesnt make sense for Colorado. They desparately need defense, they need NHL ready players to compliment their other top pics, Jones is from Denver.

I dont think we have anything we could offer to Colorado to get them to give up the pick. And if they are picking Mackinnon that means they love him even more despite all of the things listed above. So there would be no getting The pick from them.

If Jones goes first I hope Feaster makes the offer to Florida.

Outside of Mackinnon I would only give up one of the late firsts to move up.

Outside of MacKinnon, there is no reason to move up at all.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I would honestly prefer if the Flames threw as much mud at the wall as they can and see what sticks. MacKinnon would be amazing if Colorado took the bait but it's clear the cost is far too high for even FLA to entertain the idea.

I hope they don't trade up anymore. I let myself get too high of hopes on players like Hartman, Zykov, Mueller, Morrissey becoming a flame in any combo along with a player like Monahan or Lindholm. any combination like that is far to tantilizing to me than just one stud.

Instead of using mud to hit the bulls-eye, I'd rather use an arrow.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Definitely applaud Feaster on trying this. 22 and 28 could POTENTIALLY become 1st line players too, but more often than not they aren't. Teams need elite players. Calgary has depth in their prospect pool, but few 'blue-chippers', and POSSIBLY only one future franchise-type player IF he develops very well (Jankowski). Baertschi looks to be a very good player for the future. Gaudreau - love him - but he is far from a guarantee to make the NHL, or to become an 'elite' player. Those are the best prospects on the Flames.

Monahan or Lindholm would be great to add to this pool, and another 2 1st rounders - but that gives you 1 'pretty good' player that SHOULD be a 1st line talent, and 2 more depth-prospects that people are hoping become 'home-runs'. Avs said no for a very good reason - you don't trade franchise players for a 1st line player and depth.

MacKinnon is the best prospect to come along since Tavares. What would Tavares be worth in his draft class? Probably more than this offer was. Good move by Feaster, smart move by the Avs to turn it down. Hopefully the Avs draft Jones as most people expect, and Calgary is able to make this deal with Florida (but think Calgary will probably have to add there yet).

You don't do this deal with Nashville, but I hope that if they can't do this deal with Florida, they end up trying to make a deal with Nashville for Barkov. I would be very happy with 6 and 28 (and maybe throw in a couple of fillers on top). Elite talent is very expensive - especially at the center position.

[Caged Great]

The thing that makes zero sense to me is that a team needs to have about 7-8 really good players on it to be a contender

Kings - Kopitar, Brown, Carter, Richards, Quick, Doughty, Voynov
Hawks - Kane, Toews, Hossa, Bolland, Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, Hjalmarsson
Bruins - Horton, Bergeron, Marchand, Chara, Lucic, Rask, Krejic,
Penguins - Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Iginla, Morrow, Dupuis, Letang, Kunitz (each team has more, this is off the top of my head)

The Flames currently have Baertschi and Brodie. Jankowski and Gaudreau are the two other prospects that have the best chance to be added to that list, but that's really it. We have a chance to add 1 guy for sure onto the list with Baertschi and Brodie, and another two into the solid maybe category.

Frankly we are going to suck next year and the year after. Get Ho Sang, Ekblad or Reinhart next year, and Saarela or whomever in 2015 to get the star power. The thing with exceptional players is that they are going to be there each year to a varying degree.

Rushing to get a star player like MacKinnon might be will just mean that the following year's picks will not be as good and the team will get to the playoffs sooner but the team will not ever be a contender and will have to tear down again after 10 more years of frustration

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

Are you sniffing glue again?

Never sniffed glue in my life but I guess it is easier to make personal attacks than read the thread.

I already stated I meant add Baertschi to a deal not to the 3 picks.

[T@T]

[QUOTE=Ashasx;4284799]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

MacKinnon is a potential perennial 100 point player... Just as the depth is exceptional, so is the top 4.

No! I see him as a 80+ player with leadership that can control the game and get clutch points. The kid is good but not Crosby good.