Calgary offers picks 6, 22, 28 for the first overall: no dice

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by nik-

Meh, I have a sinking suspicion that Jones is going to be a relative disappointment.

I feel the exact opposite actually. I have a feeling he'll be on the same level as Doughty/Pietro, or even better.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Daigle was once viewed as a franchise player once too.

I always love how Alexandre Daigle is trotted out in these arguments like first overall draft busts happen all the time.

The fact that it's oficially the 20th, yes the 20th anniversary of Alexandre Daigle being picked first overall by the Senators and yet he's still the poster boy for draft busts in the NHL should tell you something.

[Roof-Daddy]

Jones. Sorry, he looks to be a nice prospect and all....but, yuck.

Doing a deal like this for MacKinnon I can deal with, but to do it for Jones would make my stomach turn.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Love that Calgary made the offer. Doesn't surprise me that the Avs turned it down though.

I'd make all sorts of offers and see what it takes. But, they probably have a better chance of doing the deal with the Panthers.

Roster players, prospects, picks, any combination should be up for grabs for MacKinnon.

Only after Jones goes first, otherwise a big no!

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by nik-

Meh, I have a sinking suspicion that Jones is going to be a relative disappointment.

Same here. The kid has been a man playing with kids for a while. His dad was a big guy and he's got the same genes. Once he starts playing with men I think he will have trouble.

I think hes going to be an nhler but not number one overall material or top 3 to be honest.

[Ashasx]

Just made this trade in NHL 13 and I lost a phone.

[The Original FFIV]

[QUOTE=kyuss275;4284761]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Daigle was once viewed as a franchise player once too.

In a sense I'm glad to hear what we heard tonight and the 3 firsts (or 1st and 4 2nds) will jump start this rebuild faster than pinning everything on a great young player.

Look at TB with Stamkos and Car with E Staal. Fantastic players but without a supporting cast they both finished in bottom 5.

Stock the cupboards and suck up the next 2-3 years. Do it the right way and don't take shortcuts.[/QUOTE]


I don't really see it as a short cut. Even with McKinnon on the flames next year they would have been a bottom 5 team.

Yes, they probably would be. They still could be if they have McKinnon years from now and you don't have a supporting cast.

Get as many young players as you can now, develop them and we could be in Chicago's shoes in a few years.

Building a team around one superstar worked so well for us before, don't want to go there again.

[DazzlinDino]

[QUOTE=kyuss275;4284761]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Daigle was once viewed as a franchise player once too.

In a sense I'm glad to hear what we heard tonight and the 3 firsts (or 1st and 4 2nds) will jump start this rebuild faster than pinning everything on a great young player.

Look at TB with Stamkos and Car with E Staal. Fantastic players but without a supporting cast they both finished in bottom 5.

Stock the cupboards and suck up the next 2-3 years. Do it the right way and don't take shortcuts.[/QUOTE]


I don't really see it as a short cut. Even with McKinnon on the flames next year they would have been a bottom 5 team.

Good point, can't argue too much with that. If anything the Flames have lacked patience with building a better on ice product. In the past with our "win now" we mortgaged the future.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by T@T

Only after Jones goes first, otherwise a big no!

I would start "tire kicking" with Florida in case that does come to fruition.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This thread has been moon'd.

Sorry meant add Baertschi to a deal not to the 3 picks.

[Badger Bob]

Even in "deep" drafts, the late 1st rounders are still the equivalents of early 2nd rounders. It was worth a shot, and Feaster can't be faulted for trying.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Same here. The kid has been a man playing with kids for a while. His dad was a big guy and he's got the same genes. Once he starts playing with men I think he will have trouble.

I think hes going to be an nhler but not number one overall material or top 3 to be honest.

The way I see it Jones is not built into his frame much at all, yet he's considered the best pick in this draft while MacKinnon is very well built. Once Jones builds into his frame he'll be great IMO.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Even in "deep" drafts, the late 1st rounders are still the equivalents of early 2nd rounders. It was worth a shot, and Feaster can't be faulted for trying.

The crazy responses in this thread suggest otherwise. Multiple posters have literally suggested Feaster should lose his job over this. Welcome to Calgarypuck, where everyone knows best, just ask them.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

Thank god the Avs turned that down. The Flames need depth. Did fans learn nothing from the Iginla years? I want to see the Flames become the Bruins, not the Penguins or, god forbid, the Oilers. Keep the three picks and exploit this supposedly deep draft.

You need both. You need star players and you need depth. Just because the Flames totally failed to build depth around our previous star player doesn't mean we don't need one going forward either or that trying to get one is a bad idea.

[The Original FFIV]

[QUOTE=kyuss275;4284761]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Daigle was once viewed as a franchise player once too.

In a sense I'm glad to hear what we heard tonight and the 3 firsts (or 1st and 4 2nds) will jump start this rebuild faster than pinning everything on a great young player.

Look at TB with Stamkos and Car with E Staal. Fantastic players but without a supporting cast they both finished in bottom 5.

Stock the cupboards and suck up the next 2-3 years. Do it the right way and don't take shortcuts.[/QUOTE]


I don't really see it as a short cut. Even with McKinnon on the flames next year they would have been a bottom 5 team.

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Even in "deep" drafts, the late 1st rounders are still the equivalents of early 2nd rounders. It was worth a shot, and Feaster can't be faulted for trying.

Except this year early-mid 2nds are being compared to late firsts in previous drafts. This is an exceptional year.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Even in "deep" drafts, the late 1st rounders are still the equivalents of early 2nd rounders. It was worth a shot, and Feaster can't be faulted for trying.

No they're not. #22 is better than #38.
Unless you've done comparisons that I haven't seen.

[Ashasx]

[QUOTE=The Original FFIV;4284795]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Except this year early-mid 2nds are being compared to late firsts in previous drafts. This is an exceptional year.

MacKinnon is a potential perennial 100 point player... Just as the depth is exceptional, so is the top 4.

[Caged Great]

Trying to take shortcuts like this will just mean that we are going to be in a rebuild heading into the next decade.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

Like the trade but fully understand why the Avs turned it down. They have plenty if quantity they need a stud more than a good prospect and maybes.

Would gladly add a Backlund or Baertschi but no way do you add next years first.

Are you sniffing glue again?

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

MacKinnon is a potential perennial 100 point player... Just as the depth is exceptional, so is the top 4.

Let's wait before he actually plays a NHL game before saying he'll be on par with Crosby, Malkin, etc. Because I highly doubt he will be.