Man sexually assaulted by four women

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

For your information I spent 3 years working at a parole house for women coming out of P4W (Kingston Pen) and then 11 years as a release worker at a youth corrections center, I didn't imply it made me tough I was just commenting on the fact that I actually have had extensive experience of working with both male and female murderers, sex offendors and violent criminals.

That's not really relevant to the thread to be honest. Having experience with murderers doesn't make you an expert on sexual assault by women.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

That's not really relevant to the thread to be honest. Having experience with murderers doesn't make you an expert on sexual assault by women.

I havn't suggested I'm an expert on anything, I was just responding to the accusation that I was 'an internet tough guy' because I pointed out I had experiance with many violent female (and male offendors).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I havn't suggested I'm an expert on anything, I was just responding to the accusation that I was 'an internet tough guy' because I pointed out I had experiance with many violent female (and male offendors).

But the problem remains that you are still projecting your own feelings and perceptions of these situations onto the larger male population under the expectation that everyone ought to feel the same way that you do. Your claim here that "I don't feel fear, ergo, no man should feel fear from any woman" is flatly wrong.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But the problem remains that you are still projecting your own feelings and perceptions of these situations onto the larger male population under the expectation that everyone ought to feel the same way that you do. Your claim here that "I don't feel fear, ergo, no man should feel fear from any woman" is flatly wrong.

Actually I'm not suggesting that at all, I am suggesting that I cannot see a man feeling fear when being groped in an SUV by some drunken women, anger at a loss of dignity quite possibly but fear I don't believe so, after all in this situation what is there to actually fear? I do not believe for a moment it entered his mind that he might be killed or even particulariy hurt, he was in an SUV in a public place, he got groped then kicked out the car when he wouldn't go along with it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Actually I'm not suggesting that at all, I am suggesting that I cannot see a man feeling fear when being groped in an SUV by some drunken women, anger at a loss of dignity quite possibly but fear I don't believe so, after all in this situation what is there to actually fear? I do not believe for a moment it entered his mind that he might be killed or even particulariy hurt, he was in an SUV in a public place, he got groped then kicked out the car when he wouldn't go along with it.

What if three of them held him down while the other had intercourse? Think of the possible transmission of AIDS and other sexualy transmitted diseases.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dion

What if three of them held him down while the other had intercourse? Think of the possible transmission of AIDS and other sexualy transmitted diseases.

not remotely possible in an SUV on the street, had he been held captive at a house or something I could buy that, but this is 5 people in a mid size suv on a street for a few minutes

[Flames89]

I think the difference is there are quite a few dirtbag-perv guys who honestly wouldn't care or would enjoy getting taken advantage of. Many many more of these guys than women.
Of course if pegging was involved, I am sure this ratio falls of.
Just my scientific opinion.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

not remotely possible in an SUV on the street,

A Honda-type SUV, 4 larger women and one guy. Likely they offered to drive him home, then the girls in the back tried to, umm, "pull it out", and he freaked, so they dumped him.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I think the difference is there are quite a few dirtbag-perv guys who honestly wouldn't care or would enjoy getting taken advantage of. Many many more of these guys than women.
Of course if pegging was involved, I am sure this ratio falls of.
Just my scientific opinion.

Whether or not your assumption is correct, it's irrelevant. The question isn't whether most guys would mind, it's whether this particular guy minded. He clearly did, so him being sexually assaulted is just as wrong as a female being sexually assaulted.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The media cannot legally publish your name or picture until a conviction has been made to protect the identity of the victim.

Your facts are bad and you should feel bad.

What about the ringette coach who sexually assaulted a minor? She had her name and picture released months before she was finally convicted.
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/ringette-c...sault-1.633580

Charged April, 2011. Name and picture in article.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...-offences.html

Convicted February, 2013

I believe it's more along the lines of if the victim would be discovered based on the identity of the accused, so let's say the person charged is the parent of the victim. Coaches, teachers, camp counselors and anyone else dealing with groups of minors don't seem to need to be convicted first to have their name appear on the news...


And for good measure, coming out a half hour ago:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/...her-court.html

Mark Caine, who teaches at Aqsarniit Middle School, was charged on March 27 with three counts of sexual interference.
...
All the allegations have yet to be proven in court.

Yesterday:
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/04/08/to...teen-employee/

Police allege Peter Thimio..

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

He is charged with making child porn.

Making child porn, while possibly coming alongside a charge of sexual assault, is a different thing.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Whether or not your assumption is correct, it's irrelevant. The question isn't whether most guys would mind, it's whether this particular guy minded. He clearly did, so him being sexually assaulted is just as wrong as a female being sexually assaulted.

Before casting my point aside like this man was deposited on the street, I believe you are missing it (likely my fault for not clarifying).
I am not saying it is ok to do so, I was trying to approach why guys getting harassed is not treated the same way by society/media as women.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Actually I'm not suggesting that at all, I am suggesting that I cannot see a man feeling fear when being groped in an SUV by some drunken women, anger at a loss of dignity quite possibly but fear I don't believe so, after all in this situation what is there to actually fear? I do not believe for a moment it entered his mind that he might be killed or even particulariy hurt, he was in an SUV in a public place, he got groped then kicked out the car when he wouldn't go along with it.

So if you are not projecting your own feelings onto the whole male population what point are you trying to make? Honestly, you keep moving the goal posts. What does fear have to do with it? Fear is not a requirement of sexual assault. Why are you even bringing it up?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So if you are not projecting your own feelings onto the whole male population what point are you trying to make? Honestly, you keep moving the goal posts. What does fear have to do with it? Fear is not a requirement of sexual assault. Why are you even bringing it up?

At no ponit have I ever denied that a man or woman getting their crotch or arse grabbed is not, by law, a sexual assualt, I am saying that the effect of getting your crotch grabbed if you are a man is significantly different than it is for a woman because thats all thats going to happen, we don't spend our adult lives fearing a guy walking behind us at night or a group of drunk dudes at a party the way every woman I know does, for us the only rape fear we have revoloves around going to jail and being raped by a group of dudes, fear is part of the damage a sexual assault inflictes, it is what causes the PTSD effects that are so damaging.

This is exactly the same as the domestic violence arguement, yes every guy I have ever known has been hit by a woman at some point in time in their life but except in a very small number of cases it is nothing they or I worry about as the physical effect of having a wife or girlfriend haul off is just not that significant to most guys, for women it tends to mean a trip to emergancy or worse.

There is, in general, a massive difference in a mans ability to hurt a woman in an assault, sexual or otherwise, than a woman on a man.

[To Be Quite Honest]

I've been avoiding this thread since it popped up from Dion. I finally caved and decided to look into it and I found myself pretty proud of the post made by most in this discussion. Good job!

It doesn't matter who or what sex was assaulted and these women deserve equal punishment for their serious crimes.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is, in general, a massive difference in a larger persons ability to hurt a smaller person in an assault, sexual or otherwise, than a smaller person on a larger person.

Fixed your point for you. This is what it sounds like you are technically trying to get across, and it's the only generalization that can be made in this argument, that for the most part, a stronger, larger person will be able to dominate a smaller person because of their physical capabilities. Even this is wrong in a court of law though, since its the act of committing the assault, with the reasonable knowledge that it could harm them (or willfully ignoring that) that makes sexual assault a crime that should not be based on what gender the person is.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Actually I'm not suggesting that at all, I am suggesting that I cannot see a man feeling fear when being groped in an SUV by some drunken women, anger at a loss of dignity quite possibly but fear I don't believe so, after all in this situation what is there to actually fear? I do not believe for a moment it entered his mind that he might be killed or even particulariy hurt, he was in an SUV in a public place, he got groped then kicked out the car when he wouldn't go along with it.

You're still projecting.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You're still projecting.

Maybe but I doubt I'm wrong.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Fixed your point for you. This is what it sounds like you are technically trying to get across, and it's the only generalization that can be made in this argument, that for the most part, a stronger, larger person will be able to dominate a smaller person because of their physical capabilities. Even this is wrong in a court of law though, since its the act of committing the assault, with the reasonable knowledge that it could harm them (or willfully ignoring that) that makes sexual assault a crime that should not be based on what gender the person is.

I would add that I have always found there are psychological differences between the sexes as well that go beyond size.

I would also say that while I agree that sexual assault should not be based on gender, I thnk we tend to veiw, both as a society and within the judiciary that all sexual assault is always 'a fate worse than death' as we view it solely from the historic point of view of a 'helpless' women being assaulted, I am not sure that view of sexual assualt reasonably applies to a case like this.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I am not sure that view of sexual assualt reasonably applies to a case like this.

Why?