Tom Flanagan is okay with child pornography

[MarchHare]

Flanagan said he is wwas on the mailing list for "the national man boy love association for a couple of years" ? wtf

Watching the video, he said he was "put on the mailing list of the National Man Boy Love Association".

I certainly have no love of Flanagan and his brand of politics, but based on his phrasing, I'm willing to bet that he didn't sign up himself but rather somebody put his email address on the list as a prank.

That said, the fact that -- by his own admission -- he was on the list for a few years is troubling. Like you said, why didn't he unsubscribe as soon as he received a single mailing from that organization?

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It is the same guy.

I don't know why anyone would defend Flanagan's early career (or his late career). His ethnocentrism isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to his crazy ideas on white/colonial supremacy, his authoritarian ideals on the free market (Heyekian) and the fact this isn't even the first time he's touched on libertarian free speech re: child exploitation.

I presume this is directed at my post. One gets a different perspective by sitting through a year or two of his lectures, as opposed to focusing on some of his controversial (and in my opinion wrong) positions, and media portrayals which pretty much always get it wrong in favour of easy to understand sentences.

Its easy to paint a person with a brush of one colour so you can categorize them.

[LIP MAN]

This is so strange to watch. It seems there's a story weekly regarding stuff like this.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Watching the video, he said he was "put on the mailing list of the National Man Boy Love Association".

I certainly have no love of Flanagan and his brand of politics, but based on his phrasing, I'm willing to bet that he didn't sign up himself but rather somebody put his email address on the list as a prank.

That said, the fact that -- by his own admission -- he was on the list for a few years is troubling. Like you said, why didn't he unsubscribe as soon as he received a single mailing from that organization?

yes exactly that should be a huge question mark that needs to investigated by the RCMP. Flanagan with that statement has warranted what should be suspicion to be investigated.

Its just the same as if the Klan contacted you through email would you maintain contact or end it right there.
Flanagan's entire personal life should be torn open by the RCMP they have enough to move forward, or do they just close their eyes because of who is and wait for him to destroy all possible evidence?

Who smpathizes with a pedo or a pedo lifestyle that isn't one themself. I don't know that answer but the police need to unearth this repugnant person's personal background and his associations.
Could be part of something much bigger.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I presume this is directed at my post. One gets a different perspective by sitting through a year or two of his lectures, as opposed to focusing on some of his controversial (and in my opinion wrong) positions, and media portrayals which pretty much always get it wrong in favour of easy to understand sentences.

Its easy to paint a person with a brush of one colour so you can categorize them.

I totally agree.

I went into one of his lectures expecting something totally different than I got, and it wasn't a bad thing.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

yes exactly that should be a huge question mark that needs to investigated by the RCMP. Flanagan with that statement has warranted what should be suspicion to be investigated.

Its just the same as if the Klan contacted you through email would you maintain contact or end it right there.
Flanagan's entire personal life should be torn open by the RCMP they have enough to move forward, or do they just close their eyes because of who is and wait for him to destroy all possible evidence?

Who smpathizes with a pedo or a pedo lifestyle that isn't one themself. I don't know that answer but the police need to unearth this repugnant person's personal background and his associations.
Could be part of something much bigger.

Totally disagree. I am not familiar with what sort of organization this NMBLA is, but unless there is credible evidence that it is actively involved in the distribution of child pornography, there is no way that mere membership therein could provide grounds for seizure and search of someone's personal computer, let alone "tearing open someone's entire personal life." The whole point of criminal law is to protect all of our safety, security, autonomy, and dignity. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Totally disagree. I am not familiar with what sort of organization this NMBLA is, but unless there is credible evidence that it is actively involved in the distribution of child pornography, there is no way that mere membership therein could provide grounds for seizure and search of someone's personal computer, let alone "tearing open someone's entire personal life." The whole point of criminal law is to protect all of our safety, security, autonomy, and dignity. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Maybe he thought he was signing up for the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I am not familiar with what sort of organization this NMBLA is

Link is to NAMBLA - some work orgs might not appreciate you opening it.

NSFW!

NAMBLA

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Totally disagree. I am not familiar with what sort of organization this NMBLA is, but unless there is credible evidence that it is actively involved in the distribution of child pornography, there is no way that mere membership therein could provide grounds for seizure and search of someone's personal computer, let alone "tearing open someone's entire personal life." The whole point of criminal law is to protect all of our safety, security, autonomy, and dignity. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Except if you belong to Al-qaeda lol.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Minnie

NAMBLA

I'm going to guess that link should come with a NSFW warning.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

yes exactly that should be a huge question mark that needs to investigated by the RCMP. Flanagan with that statement has warranted what should be suspicion to be investigated.

Its just the same as if the Klan contacted you through email would you maintain contact or end it right there.
Flanagan's entire personal life should be torn open by the RCMP they have enough to move forward, or do they just close their eyes because of who is and wait for him to destroy all possible evidence?

Who smpathizes with a pedo or a pedo lifestyle that isn't one themself. I don't know that answer but the police need to unearth this repugnant person's personal background and his associations.
Could be part of something much bigger.

Yeah, he should totally have his civil liberties disregarded based on a single out of context statement. That's a great standard.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

Yeah, he should totally have his civil liberties disregarded based on a single out of context statement. That's a great standard.

i agree to what you are saying to a certain extent with regards to Civil Liberties in general, but not when it revolves around Child Pornography.
where there is smoke there is fire.
Yes and i know with some its not about moralities its about civil liberties.

Every lead that could result in the infiltration and the destruction of Child Pornography networks should be followed and pursued world wide.
From the person looking at images to the people abducting abusing and Raping the children.
Sorry i have a vastly different view on the subject vs civil liberties.
and the statement wasn't out of context he said it. Nobody there asked him were you on the NAMBLA mailing list he offered that piece of information on his own.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

i agree to what you are saying to a certain extent with regards to Civil Liberties in general, but not when it revolves around Child Pornography.
where there is smoke there is fire.
Yes and i know with some its not about moralities its about civil liberties.

Every lead that could result in the infiltration and the destruction of Child Pornography networks should be followed and pursued world wide.
From the person looking at images to the people abducting abusing and Raping the children.
Sorry i have a vastly different view on the subject vs civil liberties.
and the statement wasn't out of context he said it. Nobody there asked him were you on the NAMBLA mailing list he offered that piece of information on his own.

What about murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, sexual assault, impaired driving causing death, etc? These offences are all at least as, if not far more, morally blameworthy than possession of child pornography? Shall we throw away the Charter on the mere whiff of baseless suspicion of any of these offences as well?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

i agree to what you are saying to a certain extent with regards to Civil Liberties in general, but not when it revolves around Child Pornography.
where there is smoke there is fire.
Yes and i know with some its not about moralities its about civil liberties.

Every lead that could result in the infiltration and the destruction of Child Pornography networks should be followed and pursued world wide.
From the person looking at images to the people abducting abusing and Raping the children.
Sorry i have a vastly different view on the subject vs civil liberties.
and the statement wasn't out of context he said it. Nobody there asked him were you on the NAMBLA mailing list he offered that piece of information on his own.

Okay, so if someone sees an innocent picture of your niece or nephew on your laptop and decides it looks suspicious you'd be cool with having your entire personal life torn open?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Makarov

What about murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, sexual assault, impaired driving causing death, etc? These offences are all at least as, if not far more, morally blameworthy than possession of child pornography? Shall we throw away the Charter on the mere whiff of baseless suspicion of any of these offences as well?

the topic at hand is not "murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, sexual assault, impaired driving causing death", etc?

But it is safe to say that murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, sexual assault has a long list of victims in relation to the Child Pornography industry.
Sorry i have 0% tolerance of Child Pornography and the laws world wide need to be drastically much more severe and standardized.
No grey areas. None.
Possession x amount of years.
Distributing x amount of years.
Producing x amount of years.
Child Abduction x amount of years.
Trafficking Children x amount of years.
Raping Children x amount of years. Its not sexual assault by the way or having sex with a child. The Politicians need to change that it is rape, its not sex.

Its all relative and only the government has the true power to make the necessary changes and someone like Flanagan stating that Child Pornography is ok is part of the much bigger problem.

Come on guy its why people across Canada are outraged.

[peter12]

Flanagan was put on NAMBLA's mailing list because of his work in exposing, and kicking racists out of the Reform Party in the early '90s. He also passed a lot of his findings on to the RCMP.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It is the same guy.

I don't know why anyone would defend Flanagan's early career (or his late career). His ethnocentrism isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to his crazy ideas on white/colonial supremacy, his authoritarian ideals on the free market (Heyekian) and the fact this isn't even the first time he's touched on libertarian free speech re: child exploitation.

How did he get so strong in politics? He taught/preached in Alberta, where there are thousands of people willing to lap up your bull#### as long as it's shrouded in a guise of fiscal conservatism.

Just curious. Have you read any of his books on aboriginals?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

Okay, so if someone sees an innocent picture of your niece or nephew on your laptop and decides it looks suspicious you'd be cool with having your entire personal life torn open?

I don't validate your point comparing a non child pornographic photo innocent picture to being on the mailing list for as he said "a couple of years" of NAMBLA.
That is a grand canyon sized stretch you are making.

If my best friend my very best friend said to me child pornagraphy is ok to look at i would ask are you serious what do you mean by that?
To see if he was joking or not?
I would ask him so do you check it out?
If he said yes.
Even if he was my very best friend i would notify the police.
I would leave it up to the police on what they want to do with that information.
For crying out loud we are talking about child pornography not just pornography.
You tell me can you under Canadian law have on your laptop Adult porn male or female, can you have Child porn on your laptop?
Why is that i think you know exactly why one is allowed and one isn't.
Do you have a higher toleration for child pornography i make my stand against it crystal clear.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by peter12

Flanagan was put on NAMBLA's mailing list because of his work in exposing, and kicking racists out of the Reform Party in the early '90s. He also passed a lot of his findings on to the RCMP.

if he did then he shouldn't have anything to worry about.
I will say this if i was in his shoes i would invite the RCMP to search my laptop etc to erase any doubt that doubters may have.
I would do everything if it was me to tell the media the public i am not a person that views child pornography.

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to hide right.

[MarchHare]

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to hide right.

I don't have child pronography on my computer nor have I ever visited a website where such filth is to be found. Just because I have nothing to hide doesn't mean I'm willing to waive my right to privacy and permit the police to examine my files and browsing history.