[PGT] St Louis 5 Calgary 2

[Oling_Roachinen]

Can't say I agree with Babchuk not getting any PP time until the last minute of play...

If you're going to play Babchuk, at least play to his strengths. He's got his shot and he's decent on the PP, and that's about it. While the PP has been really good, Giordano hasn't looked great on it and has a single point to show for it. Give Babchuk an opportunity and put a right handed shot on the point.

[zamler]

Was at the game, horrible "effort" by the team I was disgusted by what I saw, especially in the 1st. This team has no heart and no direction, Feaster and company have to be completely delusional if they think this group is a playoff team. I saw nothing out there that shows we are even close to being an average team. Having Kipper out clearly shows exactly what many thought it would, without world class goaltending the Flames are hopeless.

Probably because I'm drunk and what I saw on the ice made me angry, but blow this **** up already it's painful to watch. And goodbye Iggy, you've done everything you can for this team go play someplace where the organization gives a damn about what happens on the nice, not just how many people they can stuff in the seats.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

WHy does a rebuild need to have iginla traded as part of it?

Too many fans equate rebuilding the team with trading Jarome.

He is the only one worth anything. Can't rebuild on 3rd rounders.

[killer_carlson]

You mean retool the roster to bring more skill and introduce young players?

Like brodie, cervenka, hudler, wideman, baertschi, and Horak?

In case you havent noticed we are rebuilding. We just arent going scorched earth.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You mean retool the roster to bring more skill and introduce young players?

Like brodie, cervenka, hudler, wideman, baertschi, and Horak?

In case you havent noticed we are rebuilding. We just arent going scorched earth.

Who are you talking to?

[Banner]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You mean retool the roster to bring more skill and introduce young players?

Like brodie, cervenka, hudler, wideman, baertschi, and Horak?

In case you havent noticed we are rebuilding. We just arent going scorched earth.

The players you mentioned aside from Horak are players we acquired through free agency and our own draft, which every other NHL team goes through in the off season. They were not re-tool moves.

[puckluck2]

We need defensive forwards. Badly.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

Getzlaf could be a Flame, Perry - never!

Thank you 1, 000, 000 times. Thank you!

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Iginla...the quintessential example of a really good guy in a tough situation. I hope management does the right thing and give him whatever he wants. If he wants to go? Make it happen. If he wants to finish his career here? Make it happen.

We all need to realize that although he's only 35, he's got a lot of miles on that body and the team can no longer ride him through the season.

Truth is, as much as he is criticized, he has earned every penny he has made in the NHL (and more), and has earned more money in the NHL than any active player other than Jaromir Jagr and Martin Brodeur (I believe, but not totally sure).

If he wants to stay, give him 5yrs( at a fair value tbd). If not let him go, or trade him where he wants to go. And retire him with grace. Don't sling mud. Respect him, considering all around him, because 28 other teams wish they acquired him for what we did, and 1 team, while not unhappy they traded him, wishes it was somebody else the gave up, instead of him.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You mean retool the roster to bring more skill and introduce young players?

Like brodie, cervenka, hudler, wideman, baertschi, and Horak?

In case you havent noticed we are rebuilding. We just arent going scorched earth.

Sorry everybody for the third consecutive post! But whet I have s#!- to so say I speak.

Does anybody think the oilers followed a plan to get 3 #1 picks in a row? They were poorly managed (and yet their GM was promoted, but that's beside the point).

Does anybody think that Pittsburgh planned to have so many #1 and #2 picks? They were in money trouble to the point where the owner was forced out of retirement to come and play and draw fans. He considered selling to a man who wanted to move the team. And he drew a lucky ping pong ball to draft his franchise player. Not to mention that a major arena issue worked itself out.

Does anybody think Chicago planned on being horrible? Absolutely not. They tried to be bottom spenders until suddenly: they won a cup. They even fired the GM who built the cup team.

The La kings didn't rebuild on purpose.

I don't agree with their decisions, but even when the canucks missed the playoffs, the didn't trade everybody off to rebuild. Unless u count Keenan trading linden for bertuzzi and McCabe.

I'm telling u. Nobody plans to be bad and trade everybody and then succeeds. They trade people because they have to. And they don't usually get long term value for it.

Trading superstars is usually about a 1 in 10 proposition, in terms of success. Who did the oilers trade: Smyth! And got garbage.

My point after all this rambling: nobody plans to rebuild, they are forced. And when they are forced. It still takes a long time (ask the Toronto Maple loops).

The best plan is: try your best. Acquire the best talent you can by any means necessary. And then pray.

[debil]

Flames are 9-10th place team. They win sometimes but can't win consistently. They even can't suck enough to take top talent at the draft.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Okay people need to chill.

We had defense last season, wasn't enough offense.
Now we have an offense-first mindset, but you should know it's going to inevitably leave things a little loose on the back end. Under Hartley this team can't be expected to shut down high end players effectively all the time, while playing a north-south, d-man pinching type game. That's a given. Our current system requires a guy of Kiprusoff's stature to back the team and make some harder than average saves for us. It's just the way it is. That's the only way we're going to be able to win games in offensive fashion.

So naturally, when we get a super average goalie in between the pipes, our system and style is going to make him look pretty bad, cause he's not going to make those saves that the team can come to expect with an elite guy.

Not that hard to grasp. Nor should it be surprising.

This team does need Kiprusoff.

Whenever we have had that type of team though, Kipper has always been terrible. Kipper is only good when the Flames play a strong defensive game. He is not the answer.

[Itse]

Wow, such a short PGT.

Didn't really feel like watching the whole game, but I have a couple of questions;

How did Babchuk look? Seems that they held their own with Smith. How was MacDonald really? Bad or just average and hung out to dry?

I saw Irving and I can't remember ever seeing a goalie look so nervous and shaky on any professional level. That's a really bad sign, especially since there wasn't really anything special about this game. Just another regular season game. There was really no reason for him to be that nervous right from the start.

Wideman-Brodie and Cervenka-Tanguay-Hudler seem like teh goats based on the statline.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You mean retool the roster to bring more skill and introduce young players?

Like brodie, cervenka, hudler, wideman, baertschi, and Horak?

In case you havent noticed we are rebuilding. We just arent going scorched earth.

By that standard, which NHL teams aren't rebuilding?

[PIMking]

So everyone is ready to run Irving out of town because he's in his first NHL starting job because he is having a few struggles? Lets not forget that Kipper lets in his share of soft goals and behind the goalie who has played the most games the Flames haven't made the playoffs the last two years.

[18flames]

Originally Posted by Psytic

He is the only one worth anything. Can't rebuild on 3rd rounders.

What do you think he's worth? Cause I guarantee you will get way less then what you think he's worth back. Sure a top 10 pick is nice, but how many non-playoff teams are going to be trading for a veteran forward with one year left? None.
You might get an all right prospect, but no one will be trading a high end prospect for a rental, I'm sorry but everyone here needs to get their heads out of their asses and wake up in the real world.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by PIMking

So everyone is ready to run Irving out of town because he's in his first NHL starting job because he is having a few struggles? Lets not forget that Kipper lets in his share of soft goals and behind the goalie who has played the most games the Flames haven't made the playoffs the last two years.

If you are asking this board to be objective about Kipper's performance, you should probably just save your breath. I agree with you though, I don't think goaltending has been the problem so far this year.

[return to the red]

such a funny bunch around here.

One game prior many were saying it was the most exciting game in a long time for the Flames well guess what, last night was a mirror image of the Dallas game. The only difference last night was the pucks weren't going in like they were against the Stars.

Sloppy defensive play and questionable goaltending were right on par with the Dallas game but you have to admit the Flames sure did provide some excitement and IMO unlike previous years when you could have walked out of the Dome down 2-0 with no hope I didn't feel that, outside of the last 5 minutes, the Flames didn't have a chance.

Sloppy and stressful hockey yes, but damn I actually enjoy watching this team more even when they do lose.

Just my thoughts

[Sakari]

Meh. If someone told me we would be 3-2-3 2 weeks in to February, I wouldn't have complained.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Sakari

Meh. If someone told me we would be 3-2-3 2 weeks in to February, I wouldn't have complained.

Flames are 4-5-3. That's worse.