Marriage out of insecurity

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

We will see what happens but I don't think that these changes in the family structure are a completely natural "evolution" like you're implying, but engineered in a way through laws, pop culture etc.

Not engineered. This implies a deliberate intervention to change things, when what we are actually witnessing is the reciprocal cause and effect, development and response that tends to keep civilisation going.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I see the nuclear family as the most sustainable system to date. It's mostly self-relliant and promotes a stronger cultural fabric. I view todays western cultures as sick and degrading in many ways, instead of "progressive" and healthy.

I'm curious to know, in what ways "sick and degrading?

Of course the traditional family "promotes a stronger cultural fabric." That is because culture has developed in such a way to both promote and support traditional marriage. This line of thinking is akin to the notion that marajuana use is harmful because users are in danger of criminal charges and prison. It's circular, and thus invalid.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

When you get away from the nuclear family, you need a massive welfare state propping up pandemic levels of broken families and single motherhood. Is this what you imply when you say we can now offer ($) support for "non traditional" families through taxation? Well, the world is in debt now.

Not at all. I was actually speaking of increasing opportunities for women generally and single parents specifically in the workplace. Single parenthood is not as detrimental nor as difficult an enterprise as it once was, and this is in large part thanks an improving egalitarian outlook. Broken families are far from ideal, but as they become progressively normative, they also become progressively manageable.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm not against the concept of change. I just think that we have a hair trigger for change in this day and age and change for the sake of change does not always end up benefiting society.

This is my somewhat educated opinion as a student of social history and what in my understanding is the common line of thought among people in this field.

The static past never was, and the present is much less turbulent than often thought of.

Also, there have propably always been people who think like you, just like there have always been people to declare the age they live in "the end of history" (or equivalent, that phrase was popular in the nineties).

I have here on my table an etiquette guide from 1943, which among other things gives advice on how to handle divorced couples, "that have become so common these days". (Generally etiquette guides are outdated by about at least a decade by the time they come out.))

The only constant in is change, and it's impossible to say if our times are anything special when it comes to the speed of change. Huge changes have always happened, while a lot always stays about the same.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

WOW...who does that?!? I don't even know this person and reading that got my blood boiling a bit. If something bad ends up happening to that guy, he has no-one to blame but his own stupid self. I've never met your buddy's wife and I already absolutely hate her. What a dumb ****.

I'm too blunt, to a fault, especially when I booze, and have a bad habit of bringing up the elephant in the room. I can almost guarantee I'd be "that guy" who'd say something in front of everyone at one of those parties.

You sound like that guy that I love having around at parties.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Muta

Cool

You can't seriously argue that he is harmless. I think he represents everything that is wrong with gender 'equality' in our society.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

You can't seriously argue that he is harmless. I think he represents everything that is wrong with gender 'equality' in our society.

Lol what is this, Sunday morals morning? He's just an extreme case of a drunken frat boy in his early twenties having fun with his freedoms. If you take him any more seriously than Quagmire from Family Guy, then I'd tell you to lighten up. I can tell you his book I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has been a best seller for five years, and entertains millions of people with his stories, whether they are accurate or not.

But by all means, I'm sure the Bible or something similar is far more grounded and better for this soul

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If your wife isn't your best friend you're doing it wrong.

"My wife thinks she's my best friend, sorry honey you're not even top 10"
-Gerry Dee

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Do you ever wonder why marriage is not the institution it once was? Call me old fashioned but I still think long term 2 parent families are the best conditions for a stable society/culture.

I think people are having kids out of wedlock because of government meddling in family law, the welfare state and an overall breakdown in morality. I have questions about marriage myself. It seems very risky for a man these days.

The family institution is the most important part of modern civilization. I hope the majority of society does not come to see family as obsolete like you do.

I disagree. Havent you ever watched "Modern Family" on television?
They all seem very happy and their kids are all highly functioning

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Lol what is this, Sunday morals morning? He's just an extreme case of a drunken frat boy in his early twenties having fun with his freedoms. If you take him any more seriously than Quagmire from Family Guy, then I'd tell you to lighten up. I can tell you his book I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has been a best seller for five years, and entertains millions of people with his stories, whether they are accurate or not.

But by all means, I'm sure the Bible or something similar is far more grounded and better for this soul

All I'm saying is that when you start unboxing the content and analyzing it, I don't think it's so harmless. And frankly your point about the Bible has nothing to do with this discussion.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

All I'm saying is that when you start unboxing the content and analyzing it, I don't think it's so harmless. And frankly your point about the Bible has nothing to do with this discussion.

Have you ever been to any frat parties or had the 'college experience'? His stories Aren't too far off from what other 18-21 year olds do.

Completely harmless. You must think Quagmire is a heathen devil spawn.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Have you ever been to any frat parties or had the 'college experience'? His stories Aren't too far off from what other 18-21 year olds do.

Completely harmless. You must think Quagmire is a heathen devil spawn.

I have. And I've even acted like that out of my ignorance in the past. I just don't think it's as harmless as you think it is. I just think it speaks to a 'social permission to operate' in regards to the sexual objectification of women. But we're way off topic now. And we're never going to agree. So that's that.

[Muta]

Just curious, where do you get 'gender inequality' from a Tucker Max story?

[Yeah_Baby]

Bill: “This girl is a huge fan, and literally ate a page out of her book to win a free book.”
Tucker: “Is she cute, I can’t see that far back in the theater?”
Bill: “Yea, she’s pretty cute.”
Tucker: “You don’t have to do #### like to get stuff for free. Just knock on the bus door, I’ll give you something for free. You’ll have to pay the price later, but whatever. Abortions are cheap in the south.”

Linky

[peter12]

I wouldn't say Tucker Max is good or bad - just a loser, maybe a sociopath.

Anyway, people go into long-term relationships for a host of reasons. Those reasons matter the whole time, and must always be revisited if you want it to work.

[Yeah_Baby]

The 'twins', peter12 and myself. All we need is MMF to comment on Tucker Max and our snarky pseudo intelletical circle jerk will be complete.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Linky

And you believe that a) he is serious / not exaggerating for writing purposes and that b) this type of Quagmire-esque banter talk is unique to only Tucker Max, the guy who emulates and personifies millions of drunken frat boy d-bags from one end of the world to the other?

Okay then.

I think you need to tone down your moral superiority compass and lighten up a bit.... seems like you take things like him waaaaay too seriously.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Muta

And you believe that a) he is serious / not exaggerating for writing purposes and that b) this type of Quagmire-esque banter talk is unique to only Tucker Max, the guy who emulates and personifies millions of drunken frat boy d-bags from one end of the world to the other?

Okay then.

I think you need to tone down your moral superiority compass and lighten up a bit.... seems like you take things like him waaaaay too seriously.

Pff, that's like asking VFF to hate a Transformers movie.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by peter12

I wouldn't say Tucker Max is good or bad - just a loser, maybe a sociopath.

Anyway, people go into long-term relationships for a host of reasons. Those reasons matter the whole time, and must always be revisited if you want it to work.

I like to read your posts like this in a Dr. Phil voice.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The 'twins', peter12 and myself. All we need is MMF to comment on Tucker Max and our snarky pseudo intelletical circle jerk will be complete.

You're not liberal enough to circle jerk, my friend

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The 'twins', peter12 and myself. All we need is MMF to comment on Tucker Max and our snarky pseudo intelletical circle jerk will be complete.

I'm not invited? What the hell man?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by J pold

I'm not invited? What the hell man?

To be fair, you've become a completely different person since those old days of CP.

Speaking of that, I think the '07-'09ish days were the best for CP. Remember those days? Lots of hilarious exchanges and awesome posters and the Random thoughts thread.

I'm not sure when the thanks feature came along, but as useful as the feature is, I think it turned way too many posters into one liner comedians, and most people suck at being funny.