Hamill isnt the problem. Fisher is the problem. Its not even just the weight as much as its the booze and coke.
Yeah, she's not as hot as she was when she was using them.
If Episode VII takes place in what is essentially real time after ROTJ, I would expect Hamill to return as Luke in an Obi-Wan type role. Leia could be like Mon Mothma in ROTJ with a cameo.
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If Episode VII takes place in what is essentially real time after ROTJ, I would expect Hamill to return as Luke in an Obi-Wan type role. Leia could be like Mon Mothma in ROTJ with a cameo.
And I agree. There could be a recast if they go earlier, but they could also have the original cast as elder statesmen while new characters do most of the heavy lifting.
The other issue I think people are taking for granted is Harrison Ford. He didnt want to do ESB or ROTJ basically begging Lucas to kill him off. He did the movies with a gun to his head.
Granted, that was a long time ago and maybe hes changed his mind, but I'd be willing to bet that the only original cast member that would be stoked to be in the films would be Hamill.
I'm almost in the 'JJ Abrams Star Trek re-cast/start from scratch' camp. We would all love to see the continuing adventures of Solo/Skywalker/Organa/Chewbacca and I'd have to say that with the exception of Ford/Solo I'm more attached to the characters than I am to the actors who played them.
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vote #2 for JJ. Star Trek is no longer crappy thanks to him. And everyone who's about to type something about lens flares, well you can fffff...ind something else to complain about. I'll take excessive lighting and Apple store ships over 2 straight hours of green screen Lucas garbage any day.
OT: The complaints about lens flares grinds my gears a bit too. He does it in a movie once, does a pretty sweet job of it, and suddenly it comes off as all MO for all of his movies.
OT: The complaints about lens flares grinds my gears a bit too. He does it in a movie once, does a pretty sweet job of it, and suddenly it comes off as all MO for all of his movies.
And he even admitted it was a little over the top and probably wouldnt do it quite that extremely again.
Its not a big deal, it was still a good movie.
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From what I've heard VII is supposed to be 30-40 years after Endor. If that is the case why couldn't Hamill play Skywalker again? Same with Ford and Fisher? Seems to me that the old characters would look about the right age, nothing that make up couldn't make believeable.
Link? Not that I don't believe you I just want to see the details myself. If they're doing a Legacy of the Force Era type storyline (Where Luke and Han are more supporting characters) then yeah... cast Hamill and Ford (Get Hamill a personal trainer first though he doesn't have to be buff but he could stand to drop some and I imagine you'd want him looking a bit more athletic).
1.ignore the originals, treat this as an entirely new series in an already established universe
2.completely recast except for Hamill as Luke playing an Obi-Won type role, except minimize the references to the first 6, make him his own new character that doesn't reflect on the past
3.get a good director, a good team of writers and make George Lucas have no say whatsoever. Someone like Peter Jackson or Christopher Nolan that actually care about storytelling could make an entirely new series of movies, movies that we deserved as fans. The potential is there if they can rethink the Star Wars universe instead of trying to carry on pre-existing lore too much. Obviously have similar locale, technologies, musical themes and whatnot but make it fresh like the new Star Trek was. Except it needs to be someone better than Abrams, sure he was good, but this is Star Wars it needs someone who has pulled something at the level of Lord of the Rings or the Batman series or it will be forgettable just like the Star Trek movie was to non-fans.
There is a new hope, the money to be made here with directors that understand storytelling.... drooling just thinking about it.
I didn't look through all seven pages but here is a youtube interview with Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy:
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There are a few clarifications.
If you look at the original concept of the 1-9 idea behind Star Wars and George Lucas' original vision, beyond the fact that the Emperor was orginally not a force user, and that Vader wasn't Luke's father, the entire story that you saw in episodes 1-6 were represented in 1-9 without us even seeing the Emperor until I think Episode 7. Episode 9 ended with his death at the hands of Luke and the overthrow of the Empire. There wasn't a post empire story written with the exception of a epilogue where the galaxy live happily ever after.
Lucas was fairly clear that the whole Star Wars story as presented in 1-6 was the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, with his death that was pretty much it, the whole Lucas had the vision of the after empire was pretty much a creation of fanboys based on what Lucas said in interviews where he speculated what happened after the death of Palpatine.
As far as what the future holds in terms of stories, I'm not sure what you can do. The main enemy the Sith are gone extinct and wiped out except in the EU which for the most part is terrible post BOE. But the Sith line is dead, the force is balanced, the Jedi have been reformed. Palpatine is dead, he didn't come back as a supervillian clone, Anakin is redeemed and gone.
The Empire is pretty much gone, they showed the revolutions happening in ROTJ, you might have an over powering fleet, but it seems like for the most part the leaders of the fleet were pretty much bumbling morons fits for kitchen duty "Sir theres a ship coming" "Good our first catch of the day" then loss. The storm troopers in the GFFA were pretty much incompetant replications of the original clone, but they were worthless and dumb.
So the empire is dead.
So who are the enemies to the Republic?
Could you dip into the EU to pull something up.
Some mysterious warlord like Thrawn? Maybem except you'd have to pull out a far better tactical genious then a blue guy who loses pretty much every key battle, losses control of his body guards and stares at art all day.
Maybe the Sith can rise again? Doubtful the cool idea of the rule of two is that the master passes on his knowledge to the apprentice until the apprentice is strong enough to kill the master and take on the apprentice while growing his power. With the death of Vader and Palpatine that knowledge is gone, any Sith rising would have next to no Sith knowledge and would have to start from square one.
Maybe something from outside of the galaxy like the Vong, a religeous race of sadists that shoot snot, lava and bugs at people. ok maybe not.
I doubt that you can re-engineer another direct attack on the jedi or a new republic in three movies.
To me the cool thing about the 6 episodes (And I liked them all with some part exceptions) was you have a repulic that had stood for 10's of thousands of years that fell due to corruption, ignorance and subtle pushes from a great villian concept. You saw a empire rise and fall for the same reasons as the republic. You saw a good man go bad for the right reasons and because he believed his father figures lie.
You can dislike Jake Lloyd and the young Anikan concepts, you can hate Jar Jar (Even thought he did put a nail in the coffin of the republic ) you can hate the whole lost the will to live thing. But the story from 1-6 was to me fantastic anchored by some really great characters, amazing effects some strong writing at times and a good vision.
I would prefer that they don't extend the story line, that they leave what happened after the Jedi alone.
There are other amazing times that I would like to see.
Pre-old republic, the formation of the Jedi and the original schisms between the light and dark side of the force.
The great hyperspace wars that lead to the founding of the Sith who were exiled Jedi.
How about the Old Republic stories the Mandalore wars.
I would love love to see a movie based on the Ruusan wars the destruction of the Sith brotherhood by one of their own and the rise of Bane and the rule of two.
You could even do a trilogy between 3 and 4, theres like a whole rising of the Empire and creation of the Rebels and if you want dark, that's dark.
I'm hoping they don't go past episode 6, there's no point
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$4.05 billion, wow. That's a LOT of Republican Credits.
I'm actually still having a little trouble with that number. Its strange, but to me that seems a fair bit on the low side, especially when the entity writing the cheque is Disney.
For all of Lucasfilm and ILM and their trademarks and copyrights? I dont know, something has to be missing unless the 50% compensation in stock is designed to skyrocket and make up some of the perceived deficit.
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Link? Not that I don't believe you I just want to see the details myself.
I just googled "star wars VII summary" and read a bunch of the links. It makes sense though that if they want to continue the Skywalker storyline that it would be a few decades in the future once he has rebuilt the Jedi and some sort of bad guy has risen to challenge.
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There are other amazing times that I would like to see.
Pre-old republic, the formation of the Jedi and the original schisms between the light and dark side of the force.
The great hyperspace wars that lead to the founding of the Sith who were exiled Jedi.
How about the Old Republic stories the Mandalore wars.
This is where I would like to see the movies after VII - IX go, prequels from waaaay back. There is tons of material they can work with in the old republic. The storyline of KOTOR would make a great movie with the rise, fall and redemption of Revan. I haven't read any of the books since I was a kid but there must be tons of material.
As for the next few movies I don't see why they couldn't have a rise of the Sith, I think most people would believe that the Sith extended farther than just Vader and Palpatine.
1.ignore the originals, treat this as an entirely new series in an already established universe
2.completely recast except for Hamill as Luke playing an Obi-Won type role, except minimize the references to the first 6, make him his own new character that doesn't reflect on the past
3.get a good director, a good team of writers and make George Lucas have no say whatsoever. Someone like Peter Jackson or Christopher Nolan that actually care about storytelling could make an entirely new series of movies, movies that we deserved as fans. The potential is there if they can rethink the Star Wars universe instead of trying to carry on pre-existing lore too much. Obviously have similar locale, technologies, musical themes and whatnot but make it fresh like the new Star Trek was. Except it needs to be someone better than Abrams, sure he was good, but this is Star Wars it needs someone who has pulled something at the level of Lord of the Rings or the Batman series or it will be forgettable just like the Star Trek movie was to non-fans.
There is a new hope, the money to be made here with directors that understand storytelling.... drooling just thinking about it.
Nolan? Not to thread-jack or anything, but I find his name being mentioned with someone that cares about story telling, baffling. Good acting and effects, sure, but he is one lazy story teller.
As for the next few movies I don't see why they couldn't have a rise of the Sith, I think most people would believe that the Sith extended farther than just Vader and Palpatine.
the Sith to me are the ultimate cool bad concept.
for generations you had thousands of Sith wandering around as one empire or empire wannabe after another.
Finally Reven comes to the realization that the dark side of the force which is destructive by nature will create a constant side of dark side war. He also comes to the decision that the fewer hands the dark side is in the more powerful the individual.
So he dies and 3000 years later Darth Bane rises during the war between the Brother Hood of darkness and the Jedi, he is originally trained inthe brotherhood but realizes that the Sith themselves are weak and will always fight openly amongst themselves or against the Jedi and they will never take the galaxy. He sees a group of Sith as ultimately corrupting the Sith legacy. So he betrays and murders all of the Sith but himself after finding Reven's holocron.
He decides that the Sith need to re-invent themselves, use the darkside to destroy the Jedi from the shadow through manipulation and the gaining of power. He further's Reven's teaching and decides that there should only be two Sith.
Two there are no more and no less, one to embody power and one to crave it.
The Master represents that power and passes on the information to his apprentice while continuing the grand plan of the Sith, which is to reform the republic, remove corruption create a better more ordered universe based around the rule of an enlightened few (two) since mundane people will do more harm to the galaxy then good.
The Apprentice learns, executes his masters plan and strives to become more powerful then the master at which point the master is deemed unworthy and the student overthrows him and seizes the master role and takes an apprentice of his own.
Because of the rule of two the Sith understanding gained from aquiring power is always growing and shifting until you end up with Palpatine who was the most power Sith that ever lived, he was able to step from the shadows and execute the Grand Plan of the Sith. He had an apprentice who was flawed because in his form (Vader) could never be more powerful then his master.
Realistically the Banite line died when Vader took a lava bath unless he found a way to kill Palpatine.
When Vader died there was no apprentice, when Palpatine died all of the Sith knowledge gathered over 30,000 years was pretty much lost, there was no one to step into that void.
If some Jedi turned dark and decided to be a Sith he would literally have the no knowledge of the Sith Arts and no one to teach it to him.
You would have a Dark Jedi.
What's the difference you ask? A dark Jedi is an agent of chaos driven by anger and hate and revenge.
A Sith understands that those base emotions give him great power, however the Sith also learned that they needed to use those emotions as a tool in executing the Grand Plan and not become a slave to those emotions, they had to understand them to get to a higher goal.
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I'm actually still having a little trouble with that number. Its strange, but to me that seems a fair bit on the low side, especially when the entity writing the cheque is Disney.
Yeah I hear ya. Pixar sold for 7.4 billion and it just seems like the Star Wars franchise and all that it encompasses is worth more. Uneducated opinion.
Maybe Watto rolled a chance cube and Lucas came out on the bottom.
