Immigrants costing taxpayers $16 to $23 Billion annually.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I see my wordsmithery and sound logic have made you speechless. Clearly this is your excuse for reporting to lame jpegs in response.


But yes, let's cut all social programs and tax each other less. Then that way when you're retired you won't be able to to take train rides, or have multiple options for lunch or travel to Montana to discover the churches are locked. All you'll have is First Lady's avatar.

Taxing me less will mean I have more $$ in my bank account, thereby allowing me to travel, eat well, visit cultural landmarks, and oggle pretty women.

More taxes, which go towards the support of failed programs, will in fact only prevent me from doing these things. ... which is why, unlike you, I don't vote NDP or Liberal.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Taxing me less will mean I have more $$ in my bank account, thereby allowing me to travel, eat well, visit cultural landmarks, and oggle pretty women.

More taxes, which go towards the support of failed programs, will in fact only prevent me from doing these things. ... which is why, unlike you, I don't vote NDP or Liberal.

Not when you're retired and relying on the Government for your income.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Not when you're retired and relying on the Government for your income.

Or health care, housing subsidies, etc., etc.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Taxing me less will mean I have more $$ in my bank account, thereby allowing me to travel, eat well, visit cultural landmarks, and oggle pretty women.

More taxes, which go towards the support of failed programs, will in fact only prevent me from doing these things. ... which is why, unlike you, I don't vote NDP or Liberal.

Actually, the taxes you pay towards subsidizing social programs would likely be dwarfed by your individual expenses for those same programs were they on a pay per use or privatized basis, leaving you less money to to do those things you've mentioned.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

This is not the first time the "immigrants = crime" angle has been mentioned in this thread, but nobody has posted hard evidence to support this claim. Are there any statistics that show immigrants commit crimes at a greater rate than native-born Canadians of similar social-economic status?

Who cares if immigrants commit crimes at a greater/lesser rate than native born Canadians. If they're commiting crimes at all, they should be deported, instead of sitting in one of our expensive tax funded jails. If we have crime problems with our own people, why would we want to add to that?

So we should set the bar real low just so we have people to work in our packing plants?

The liberal utopia is going to look like a scene out of Book of Eli.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I have never made a racist post.

Death by a million paper cuts Mikey

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Who cares if immigrants commit crimes at a greater/lesser rate than native born Canadians. If they're commiting crimes at all, they should be deported, instead of sitting in one of our expensive tax funded jails. If we have crime problems with our own people, why would we want to add to that?

So we should set the bar real low just so we have people to work in our packing plants?

The liberal utopia is going to look like a scene out of Book of Eli.

And neo-con utopia will look like Blade Runner. Both are dystopian so I'm not seeing your point.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Taxing me less will mean I have more $$ in my bank account, thereby allowing me to travel, eat well, visit cultural landmarks, and oggle pretty women.

More taxes, which go towards the support of failed programs, will in fact only prevent me from doing these things. ... which is why, unlike you, I don't vote NDP or Liberal.

There is a magical place like this, the USA. You can enjoy not having to pick up the tab for anybody.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Who cares if immigrants commit crimes at a greater/lesser rate than native born Canadians. If they're commiting crimes at all, they should be deported, instead of sitting in one of our expensive tax funded jails. If we have crime problems with our own people, why would we want to add to that?

So we should set the bar real low just so we have people to work in our packing plants?

The liberal utopia is going to look like a scene out of Book of Eli.

You'll be pleased to know that non-citizens convicted of serious criminal offences can be deported (after serving their sentence of course.) Obviously Canadian citizens can never be deported, but I presume that you are not suggesting that.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Wormius

There is a magical place like this, the USA. You can enjoy not having to pick up the tab for anybody.

If you insist on paying more taxes, you should move to one of the socialist EU countries.
They are afterall, doing so well lately.

Stop trying to turn Canada into another Italy or Greece. The less often the goverment has its hands in my pockets, the happier I am.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Wormius

There is a magical place like this, the USA. You can enjoy not having to pick up the tab for anybody.

Even better than the USA, consider the true libertarian paradise of Somalia! Imagine a place where there is absolutely ZERO government interference, taxation, or regulations of any kind. In the total absence of wealth redistribution via taxation, ineffecient and failing state-funded entitlement programs, and crippling government regulations that stifle innovation, the Invisible Hand of the Free Market (TM) has turned Somalia into an economic powerhouse.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If you insist on paying more taxes, you should move to one of the socialist EU countries.
They are afterall, doing so well lately.

Stop trying to turn Canada into another Italy or Greece. The less often the goverment has its hands in my pockets, the happier I am.

How well are Norway, Sweden, and Finland doing these days?

I'm not being snarky, btw. Those countries are often considered the poster children of high taxation/high spending Western socialist democracies, so I'm curious to know how well they've done in the recent global economic crisis.

[Mathgod]

My opinion is the following. Mass immigration helps the richest corporations. They can use higher unemployment rates to push the "we need tax breaks to create more jobs" excuse. The result is tax cuts to corporations, and lower wages for workers.

The solution lies in more stringent screening, and slowing down immigration to curb unemployment rates.


(takes cover)

[nik-]

I shudder to think of Canada without immigrants. What would I eat?! ... whitey food? Blech.

[burn_this_city]

I hope Babyboomers like Rerun are taxed for every cent possible. Their handout generation is much more to blame for our current financial situation than a bunch of sponging refugees and immigrants. If the $23B number is to be trusted that works out to $700 a head, Babyboomer healthcare costs will gouge us for many times that number.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I hope Babyboomers like Rerun are taxed for every cent possible. Their handout generation is much more to blame for our current financial situation than a bunch of sponging refugees and immigrants. If the $23B number is to be trusted that works out to $700 a head, Babyboomer healthcare costs will gouge us for many times that number.

Clearly the answer is to eliminate all babyboomers.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by fotze

I do know that they certainly have alot more issues regarding immigration.

How dare you try to get this back on topic. We're arguing about taxes now!

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Who cares if immigrants commit crimes at a greater/lesser rate than native born Canadians. If they're commiting crimes at all, they should be deported, instead of sitting in one of our expensive tax funded jails. If we have crime problems with our own people, why would we want to add to that?

So we should set the bar real low just so we have people to work in our packing plants?

The liberal utopia is going to look like a scene out of Book of Eli.

So basically you're saying immigrants who get their Canadian citizenship should be considered less Canadian than native born Canadians. Got it. Not racist. Got it too. Best friend is Japanese. Gotcha there too.

[GP_Matt]

And beer, do you know how much it costs to buy a beer in Norway?
According to pintprice.com a beer in Norway averages $11.26 while the same beer in Canada averages $5.49.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If you insist on paying more taxes, you should move to one of the socialist EU countries.
They are afterall, doing so well lately.

Stop trying to turn Canada into another Italy or Greece. The less often the goverment has its hands in my pockets, the happier I am.

Really? No one else is going to point out the delicious irony in pointing to two extremely right-wing, capitalist failed countries as evidence of failed socialism?

I think Rerun's political and economic acumen was summed up perfectly in that post.

Damn that Berlusconi and his socialist policies!