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nfotiu · 10-05-2011, 09:08 AM

You are comparing against the last generation of super amoled, super amoled plus improved upon it in the sgs2 http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus. Hd super amoled is just around the corner and will match or beat the retina in resolution plus have all the amoled advantages like better blacks, colors, power consumption, etc.

I still don't understand the point you are trying to make comparing pixel densities between tbs and phones. Tvs have higher resolution, phones have higher pixel densities, sure, but what's the point

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

How about I back my post up with facts.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/i...-amoled-fight/

"The one standout differentiator between the two will have been apparent by gazing upon our gallery: the Retina Display really whoops on the Super AMOLED on the pixel level. Definition still looks ridiculous on the iPhone 4, and Samsung simply can't match it there."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._pixel_density

1. iPhone4 326 ppi vs Nexus S SAMOLED 235 ppi

2. Pioneer KURO Pro, considered the best 1080p TV ever made: 44 ppi.

3. Please scan through the list of other standard display sizes by 1080p and tell me any single 1080p TV that meets the Retina display.

OldDutch · 10-05-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nfotiu

You are comparing against the last generation of super amoled, super amoled plus improved upon it in the sgs2 http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus. Hd super amoled is just around the corner and will match or beat the retina in resolution plus have all the amoled advantages like better blacks, colors, power consumption, etc.

I still don't understand the point you are trying to make comparing pixel densities between tbs and phones. Tvs have higher resolution, phones have higher pixel densities, sure, but what's the point

Your still going to argue this arn't you? PPI is a measurement of display, period. Don't try and say they do not apply to TVs. PPI is a standard measurement for ALL display resolutions.

I argued that text rendering on an iPhone vs. Any currently realeased Android is more crisp and clear. I specifically mentioned not to compare video because the requirements for crisp video is way lower than Text. That is why I said 1080p TV was lower resolution than any current Android.

These are all facts man. If I am wrong then please send me a link to an Android phone I can buy right now that renders better than an iPhone 4.

Please post evidence to back you argument up if I am wrong.

Bertuzzied · 10-05-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fundmark19

I really don't understand why so many people want a cell phone to have a bigger screen. Iphone with a case on it is as big as anything I would want in my pocket. Iphone 4 without case is the perfect pocket size. If you want something with a big screen buy a laptop or a tablet. I for one don't want to have the whole side of my face covered by a phone when I am trying to talk. I get the world likes to revert to retro but the big cell phones of the 80's are gone for a reason!

So when the iphone 5 comes out at a whopping 4" or 4.3" you guys won't buy it? ok....

my LGX2 is 4' and it is only minimally larger than my wife's iphone 4.

Aegypticus · 10-05-2011, 09:59 AM

OldDutch, I have no opinion on this argument one way or the other, but resolution and pixel (or dot) pitch are not interchangeable terms.

Mazrim · 10-05-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

So when the iphone 5 comes out at a whopping 4" or 4.3" you guys won't buy it? ok....

my LGX2 is 4' and it is only minimally larger than my wife's iphone 4.

That was my thought too. Apple will almost assuredly increase the screen size of their next iPhone, but not by huge amounts or anything. I look forward to come back to this thread in a year's time and compare the screen size comments!

Superflyer · 10-05-2011, 10:55 AM

Don't really have anything constructive to add but found this today.

MickMcGeough · 10-05-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

That is why I said 1080p TV was lower resolution than any current Android.

These are all facts man.

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density

You're welcome.

FanIn80 · 10-05-2011, 11:41 AM

What really cracks me up is that people are still saying the same things about the 4S that they said about the 3GS. Yet, the two-year-old iPhone 3GS was still the second-best selling smartphone in the US last quarter, behind only the iPhone 4.

Something tells me Apple's going to be alright with "just" an iPhone 4S.

(Posted from my Samsung Galaxy S2)

OldDutch · 10-05-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density

You're welcome.

The way I understand PPI is that it is screen resolution / the size of the display. Is this wrong?

The point I want to make is that all things equal, the iPhone has a sharper screen than any Android device. Is it wrong to argue this using PPI as a reference?

To me 1900 x 1200 over 55" or 600 x 400 over 4.5" is not as sharp as 800 x 600 over 3.5". You need to calculate based on resolution by screen size. So I used PPI to level the field.

I think I phrased my argument wrong, or I am totally out to lunch on how to equally measure the sharpness of two different sized displays.

fundmark19 · 10-05-2011, 11:51 AM

I'm a sheep of course I will buy it! I just hope the only difference is that the screen goes to the edge and gets rid of the black bezel around side. I don't want the phone to be any bigger then it is now in total width.

I'll buy it but I won't pretend to be happy with it!

Does anyone know about early upgrades through all the providers? Or have they not released that info yet?

Titan · 10-05-2011, 11:56 AM

At a certain point how good can a screen look? My old 3Gs still looks pretty good to me. Really, it is a 4" screen you watch to pass the time because you are bored. it is not your living room tv. It looks good. Move on.

Azure · 10-05-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What really cracks me up is that people are still saying the same things about the 4S that they said about the 3GS. Yet, the two-year-old iPhone 3GS was still the second-best selling smartphone in the US last quarter, behind only the iPhone 4.

Something tells me Apple's going to be alright with "just" an iPhone 4S.

(Posted from my Samsung Galaxy S2)

Absolutely they will. It is still a superior phone, especially with the upgraded hardware.

I love the size and screen of the iPhone 4. To me it is perfect.

Russic · 10-05-2011, 12:28 PM

I'm looking forward to getting one to upgrade my 3GS. I'm a little worried Siri isn't coming to Canada. I realize many think it's a gimmick but I love how it works currently (and it's pretty sad and underwhelming at the moment). It will be great for driving as it only takes a single button press and then gets out of the way. I would love to be able to get information like weather, directions, unit conversion etc. without unlocking the phone.

photon · 10-05-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

I think I phrased my argument wrong, or I am totally out to lunch on how to equally measure the sharpness of two different sized displays.

You're not out to lunch, PPI is how you would measure how sharp something could potentially look. Distance would also enter into it (since further away the extra pixels become meaningless), but since people generally all use their phones at the same distance from the eye, it's a reasonable measurement.

I think the point is that pixel density isn't the only valid measure of how "good" a screen is. Different technologies have different contrast ratios, black levels, colour, etc etc, and they'll all enter into how good a display is, and what one person values might not be what another person values.

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Originally Posted by Titan

At a certain point how good can a screen look? My old 3Gs still looks pretty good to me. Really, it is a 4" screen you watch to pass the time because you are bored. it is not your living room tv. It looks good. Move on.

Actually the difference between the 3G/3GS screen and the 4/4S screen is striking. Going from one to the other is night and day. I find the higher resolution far better to work with as well, I don't have to zoom into web pages as much for the text to be readable, and reading books is easier on the eyes because the letters aren't pixelated at all, etc.

Android or iPhone, a PPI that's at 300 or more is a minimum requirement for me now.

-TC- · 10-05-2011, 01:13 PM

I've got a year left on my contract so I'll wait for the 5.

But, I will have iOS 5 IMMEDIATELY

opendoor · 10-05-2011, 01:18 PM

I wouldn't mind a slightly larger screen on the iPhone as long as the phone itself wasn't much bigger. I have absolutely no desire to be lugging around a 5.5 inch long phone, no matter how good the screen looks.

MickMcGeough · 10-05-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

The way I understand PPI is that it is screen resolution / the size of the display. Is this wrong?

The point I want to make is that all things equal, the iPhone has a sharper screen than any Android device. Is it wrong to argue this using PPI as a reference?

To me 1900 x 1200 over 55" or 600 x 400 over 4.5" is not as sharp as 800 x 600 over 3.5". You need to calculate based on resolution by screen size. So I used PPI to level the field.

I think I phrased my argument wrong, or I am totally out to lunch on how to equally measure the sharpness of two different sized displays.

I was responding to you saying that a 1080p TV had a lower resolution than any current Android phone. On that you were out to lunch.

Pixel density * viewing distance = perceived "sharpness". That's the point you were trying to make, just with the wrong terms.

chemgear · 10-05-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by opendoor

I wouldn't mind a slightly larger screen on the iPhone as long as the phone itself wasn't much bigger. I have absolutely no desire to be lugging around a 5.5 inch long phone, no matter how good the screen looks.

Yeah, if you are that desperate for such a large screen size you might as well get a Vita.

Bertuzzied · 10-05-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What really cracks me up is that people are still saying the same things about the 4S that they said about the 3GS. Yet, the two-year-old iPhone 3GS was still the second-best selling smartphone in the US last quarter, behind only the iPhone 4.

Something tells me Apple's going to be alright with "just" an iPhone 4S.

(Posted from my Samsung Galaxy S2)

When the 3gs came out there was no real competitior with the same specs out at that time.

My phone i got 3 months ago for $95 from wind outspecs it. it's going to be a different story this time.

Besides there are so many more android phones out there now and it's constantly evolving. It may be up to 1million daily activations a day now for android.

Bertuzzied · 10-05-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by opendoor

I wouldn't mind a slightly larger screen on the iPhone as long as the phone itself wasn't much bigger. I have absolutely no desire to be lugging around a 5.5 inch long phone, no matter how good the screen looks.

Go check out the 4.3" Galaxy 2. and it's thinner and lighter than the iphone 4s.

I would have totally gotten it if it wasn't only Bell and Virgin carrying it. lame.