Amy Winehouse Confirmed Dead

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

People will die from alcohol and drug overdoses today, tomorrow, and next week. It's just the way it is. The misconception is that people who are addicts are perfectly fine until they throw there lives away once they get addicted to a particular substance. What many don't realize is the vast majority of these drug addicts had underlying psychological disorders before they were introduced to alcohol or drugs. Amy Winehouse was no different.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

While I agree with the first part of your statement, I don't necessarily agree that the vast majority of addicts have underlying psychological disorders. After being addicted for a while they probably develop disorders but the reasons for taking heroin or other substances could just be for the thrill. There's even a thrill seeking gene and some people genetically can't handle alcohol. Heroin releases endorphins which are naturally occurring and after a while the body stops producing them on the addicts own, so they become addicted. It's a physical addiction which later becomes a mental addiction where they stop thinking in a generally accepted mode.

[CaptainCrunch]

What a waste of god given talent. And she was immensely talented.

While I will be the first to say that you will always pay for your choices, and taking drugs like Heroin and Oxy are choices that you make going against the overwhelming and publicly known fact that it will eventually kill you. I do feel bad that she's dead and like suicide it was a selfish death that has made her family and friends suffer.

If I was religious I would say that there is a sectioned off area of hell for people that sell drugs or hook people on drugs and benefit from human misery.

But Amy Winehouse was in a profession where her job was to make people smile, or feel inspired, instead she bought sorrow and pain to herself and others.

What a goddamned waste.

RIP Amy.

[NBC]

British media is having a field day with this news item. Following the ups and downs (mostly downs) of B-list celebrities is a cultural obsession in the UK. There is a twisted fascination that people have with seeing public figures at their absolute worst - and Winehouse was always in the papers for less than auspicious reasons.

Sadly this will change little if anything as the Pete Doughertys, Kerry Katonas and Katie Prices of the world personally implode in full-public view with millions lapping it up.

I don't lament the demise of Amy Winehouse - I lament the fact that this is the way society is.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by NBC

British media is having a field day with this news item. Following the ups and downs (mostly downs) of B-list celebrities is a cultural obsession in the UK. There is a twisted fascination that people have with seeing public figures at their absolute worst - and Winehouse was always in the papers for less than auspicious reasons.

Sadly this will change little if anything as the Pete Doughertys, Kerry Katonas and Katie Prices of the world personally implode in full-public view with millions lapping it up.

I don't lament the demise of Amy Winehouse - I lament the fact that this is the way society is.

I have no idea who those people are

[NBC]

^ They are D-list "celebrities" here in the UK. The first 2 were in bands, the last is/was a "glamour" model. They are always in the headlines for drink, drug, lewd offenses and the public can't get enough of them. Katona and Price each have their own TV show.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by NBC

British media is having a field day with this news item. Following the ups and downs (mostly downs) of B-list celebrities is a cultural obsession in the UK. There is a twisted fascination that people have with seeing public figures at their absolute worst - and Winehouse was always in the papers for less than auspicious reasons.

British media is just weird. I used to hold it in very high regard, more than anything over here, as I guess I just assumed growing up it was more cultured, and something about the accent just makes them sound very educated and trustworthy.

But after being over there for a bit, and just watching BBC World the last couple years, man does their media LOVE to exaggerate! Just all about making every little news item seem like its earth-shattering, its kind of annoying actually. It's funny, as being mostly British decendents, in a society formed out of British culture, I can see where American and even Canadian news probably got this from now.

[nemanja2306]

I have to agree with puckluck...just not to that extent. I'm not happy she's dead. Why would I be? She didn't kill hundreds and thousands of people, she wasn't a child molester or a rapist. There are very few people I want, to quote Stewie, "not be alive anymore" Example: Bin Laden despite my hatred of USA.

However, I'm not sad either. First of all, this was longtime coming. It was just a matter of time. Second of all, she did this do herself. She knew what happens when you get into drugs. Imagine you are her mother or father. Everyone knows yourdaughter is on drugs and alcohol. Can you imagine the embarassment?

I feel sorry for her family and what they had to put up with, not Amy. It's not like she died in a tragic accident. She killed herself. Which in this case might have been the best thing. However cold that sounds.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

I have to agree with puckluck...just not to that extent. I'm not happy she's dead. Why would I be? She didn't kill hundreds and thousands of people, she wasn't a child molester or a rapist. There are very few people I want, to quote Stewie, "not be alive anymore" Example: Bin Laden despite my hatred of USA.

However, I'm not sad either. First of all, this was longtime coming. It was just a matter of time. Second of all, she did this do herself. She knew what happens when you get into drugs. Imagine you are her mother or father. Everyone knows yourdaughter is on drugs and alcohol. Can you imagine the embarassment?

I feel sorry for her family and what they had to put up with, not Amy. It's not like she died in a tragic accident. She killed herself. Which in this case might have been the best thing. However cold that sounds.

I'm no fan of her music in any way, but she seemed to have some talent.

Now, don't you think that's kind of the sad part?

EVERYONE knows what drugs can do to you. The sad thing is a young person was addicted so badly they could not quit damaging themselves with drugs.

Am I sad because it's Amy Winehouse? No I don't know her, but I do find it sad that someone with talent died so young and couldn't quit what they were doing and obviously had issues that wouldn't allow her to stay sober.

Secondly I"m sure the that the addicted person when sober is very embarrassed about their behaviour. I'm sure her family is way less embarrassed and much more devastated that they couldn't save her.

If I had a child that died due to drugs I don't think embarrassment would be my first feeling. I couldn't care less what others think.

Even if the my kid was not dead and was just an addict, sure would I be a little embarrassed? Maybe, but I would be more concerned with helping them as much as I could then worrying about what others think.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I'm no fan of her music in any way, but she seemed to have some talent.

Now, don't you think that's kind of the sad part?

EVERYONE knows what drugs can do to you. The sad thing is a young person was addicted so badly they could not quit damaging themselves with drugs.

Am I sad because it's Amy Winehouse? No I don't know her, but I do find it sad that someone with talent died so young and couldn't quit what they were doing and obviously had issues that wouldn't allow her to stay sober.

Secondly I"m sure the that the addicted person when sober is very embarrassed about their behaviour. I'm sure her family is way less embarrassed and much more devastated that they couldn't save her.

If I had a child that died due to drugs I don't think embarrassment would be my first feeling. I couldn't care less what others think.

Even if the my kid was not dead and was just an addict, sure would I be a little embarrassed? Maybe, but I would be more concerned with helping them as much as I could then worrying about what others think.

I completely agree with you. I'm sure her parents are devestated right now, as is everyone who knew her. But they're not stupid, I'm sure they could have predicted this. I read somewhere that her mom said that she wasn't shocked at all. Hurt, sad, devestated sure, surprised? No.

She was amazing. I think she had lots of talent and a lot of potential do some great things. But she had no one to blame why she turned to drugs but her. If she couldn't handle fame, there were lot of people she could have turned to. Heck, she could have "retired" and go somewhere secluded where no one knows hers for a while. It's really too bad, she had the talent. And from that perspective, it is sad.

But she could have turned her life around. If she had really wanted to. How many times did she check her self out of rehab? I'm not saying it's easy, not at all, but it can be done. I believe a person can do anything they set their mind on, and I don't think she really wanted to. And that's why I don't find her death sad. When you expect something for so long and it finally happens...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

EVERYONE knows what drugs can do to you. The sad thing is a young person was addicted so badly they could not quit damaging themselves with drugs.

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You could say the same thing about people who smoke and get cancer. Cancer destroys families and relationships and someone who smokes and refuses to get help for their addiction is making that choice and taking a selfish risk.

It's really just a sad situation. Addiction is a terrible disease. I don't necessarily feel sad about Amy Winehouse in particular because I didn't know her personally, but sometimes otherwise good people make bad choices without fully understanding what the future repurcussions will be.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

But she could have turned her life around. If she had really wanted to. How many times did she check her self out of rehab? I'm not saying it's easy, not at all, but it can be done. I believe a person can do anything they set their mind on, and I don't think she really wanted to. And that's why I don't find her death sad. When you expect something for so long and it finally happens...

She might have turned her life around eventually - she clearly had some desire, and it takes people a while to hit that point where they are absolutely committed to getting better - call it rock bottom, an epiphany, whatever, but she hadn't gotten there yet. So unfortunately for her, she either didn't want to get better, and went to rehab to satisfy others expectations, or ran out of time before she hit the point where she was absolutely committed to it.

[normtwofinger]

nm

[ricosuave]

I think you all are making a mountain out of a molehill, jesus.

And Norm posting PMs is out of line as well.

[CaptainCrunch]

I look at the talent of Amy Winehouse, compared to the other crap that we see from Lady singers out there, and the music hemisphere is a lot poorer today with her death.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by normtwofinger

Puckluck's PM'd response:

Thanks, but I know about 20 people on CP personally so I'm not hiding behind anonymity. Winehouse was nothing but a crackhead. Glad she's dead.

All I can say is wow. I guess personally knowing 0.17% of CP users is an excuse to spew garbage at will. You need help.

Just to be clear you're the one who PM'd me first. Don't know what kind of response you were expecting. I pretty much said the same thing in the thread no idea why u posted a pm in the thread.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I look at the talent of Amy Winehouse, compared to the other crap that we see from Lady singers out there, and the music hemisphere is a lot poorer today with her death.

There are other talented female singers out there but the bad ones like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, and Taylor Swift will still get their air time regardless of how popular the talented ones are.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Just to be clear you're the one who PM'd me first. Don't know what kind of response you were expecting. I pretty much said the same thing in the thread no idea why u posted a pm in the thread.

knowing 20 people does no mean that you are not still anonymous to pretty much everyone else who posts here, and I am still eagre to hear if you act the same way in person, but none of the 20 people have lept out to acknowledge knowing you.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

There are other talented female singers out there but the bad ones like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, and Taylor Swift will still get their air time regardless of how popular the talented ones are.

Hurr hurr.

Gaga and Perry are both very talented singers. Britney Spears and Kesha would have been more apt.

[normtwofinger]

Just to be clear, you Puckluck, were the one who first said you were happy she died, and you wish Charlie Sheen would die. That is not right. I agree posting a PM was out of line, so I've deleted that post and apologize. Alot of users, I included, are sick of your schtick.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What a waste of god given talent. And she was immensely talented.

While I will be the first to say that you will always pay for your choices, and taking drugs like Heroin and Oxy are choices that you make going against the overwhelming and publicly known fact that it will eventually kill you. I do feel bad that she's dead and like suicide it was a selfish death that has made her family and friends suffer.

If I was religious I would say that there is a sectioned off area of hell for people that sell drugs or hook people on drugs and benefit from human misery.

But Amy Winehouse was in a profession where her job was to make people smile, or feel inspired, instead she bought sorrow and pain to herself and others.

What a goddamned waste.

RIP Amy.

Hmmm