One thing that I do remember is when I was hit with the bear spray, and I was suppossed to attack the guy, I completely forgot what I was doing, and my only instinct was to run in the opposite direction.
Do people not realize that people who rob houses are not looking to kill or hurt the homeowners? They don't go in with the intention of killing someone for their property. They want the property and would prefer no one gets hurt. Why would they want to kill someone and have the cops actually looking for them? God knows the cops don't give a rats arse about robberies and only do the hard investigating when there is someone hurt or murdered. It would make more sense for no one to get hurt so they don't get caught.
who programmed it? Itself? Nope....built and made to do what it does, by humans. If you want me to agree that this can shoot itself, then fine...I agree.
And what has that really to do with the current discussion unless you are suggesting these things are in regular joes house in the US?
They probably would in the US because of the amount of guns initially. Had they not been mass produced and regulated from the start, it might be a different story.
A loose comparison would be the UK. Now, I understand the population and culture differences between the UK and the US, that's why I say loose comparison. Guns were banned in 1996 after Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children, a teacher and himself. Since then gun crime has gone down, and gun prices have gone up £2-4000 for a gun; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-12936464).
Yes, criminals will get guns. They always will. Just like terrorists will get nukes and whales will get beached. It's just how things will go. The thing is, not having guns will not "hand the keys over" to the criminals, will not "put the ball in their court" or give them any more control than they had.
What it will do is limit the amount of accidental shootings, the amount of kids taking their parents guns to schools, etc.
I understand the logisitics of such a thing in the US is far too improbable. It simply won't happen, but that doesn't mean you need to buy a gun in order to protect yourself from a gun.
If an invader is going to shoot you, they will. If a murderer intends on killing you, they most certainly will.
I can't justify owning a gun, and I can't use the disguise of "well I'm protecting my family" because I'm simply not afraid of being shot. I'm not afraid of being in a car accident or being hit by a bus. I'm not afraid of a plane crash or swine flu. Why go through life with fear of such small chances?
If you want to protect your family, move to a safer place. If you're in a safer place, then why have a gun?
Do people not realize that people who rob houses are not looking to kill or hurt the homeowners? They don't go in with the intention of killing someone for their property. They want the property and would prefer no one gets hurt. Why would they want to kill someone and have the cops actually looking for them? God knows the cops don't give a rats arse about robberies and only do the hard investigating when there is someone hurt or murdered.
Yea guys, ALL robbers dont plan on hurting homeowners..incorrect.
Someone breaks into your house and night, how do you know if they just want to rob you? How do you know they dont want to just kill you and your family?
And as you say Cops dont care about robberies, hence homeowners sometimes need to take matters into their own hands.
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Do people not realize that people who rob houses are not looking to kill or hurt the homeowners? They don't go in with the intention of killing someone for their property. They want the property and would prefer no one gets hurt. Why would they want to kill someone and have the cops actually looking for them? God knows the cops don't give a rats arse about robberies and only do the hard investigating when there is someone hurt or murdered.
Really eh?
That is such a broad and general statement it really means nothing.
I have little doubt that every single home invader will do anything to not get caught since you know its against the law and they know it...and if that means clobbering the homeowner over the head with a golf club, shooting them, stabbing them...whatever, its a real possibility. Chances are thats what will happen.
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Uhh no.
who programmed it? Itself? Nope....built and made to do what it does, by humans. If you want me to agree that this can shoot itself, then fine...I agree.
And what has that really to do with the current discussion unless you are suggesting these things are in regular joes house in the US?
He asked to see a gun that kills people without human intervention.
This thing fits that definition.
Is it relevant? Of course not.
Is it funny? Sure is.
Is the guns don't kill people, people kill people argument irrelevant?
It sure is.
Because it's just as accuate to say "people without guns don't accidentially kill their loved ones with guns, people with guns do"
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Do people not realize that people who rob houses are not looking to kill or hurt the homeowners? They don't go in with the intention of killing someone for their property. They want the property and would prefer no one gets hurt. Why would they want to kill someone and have the cops actually looking for them? God knows the cops don't give a rats arse about robberies and only do the hard investigating when there is someone hurt or murdered.
Gun nuts live in an alternate reality, kind of like religious people. They pretend their talking points and beliefs aren't completely contradicted by real life.
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They probably would in the US because of the amount of guns initially. Had they not been mass produced and regulated from the start, it might be a different story.
Absoultely, but that simply isn't the reality now unfortunately.
That is such a broad and general statement it really means nothing.
I have little doubt that every single home invader will do anything to not get caught since you know its against the law and they know it...and if that means clobbering the homeowner over the head with a golf club, shooting them, stabbing them...whatever, its a real possibility. Chances are thats what will happen.
Well it does mean something actually because most people who break into houses are doing so for property and money. And by most I mean 99.9999%. Usually people who get hurt in home invasions usually fight back (not a smart idea) or know their intruders and the situation is personal.
There aren't that many serial killers walking the streets breaking into houses to murder the homeowners and their family.
Yasa, BBS, FDW, and Captain Crunch have owned this thread. Thanks for making my points with way better arguments than me.
I've yet to see any knockout punch made by anyone on either side of this argument. Perhaps simply shouting the loudest constitutes as "owning a thread" for you, but I think most would disagree.
Is the guns don't kill people, people kill people argument irrelevant?
It sure is.
Because it's just as accuate to say "people without guns don't accidentially kill their loved ones with guns, people with guns do"
Then you might as well say that knives and blunt objects kill people, but it is the same thing.
Right...so it is people killing people...regardless of the weapon...and that is not semantics at all.
Yes it is people killing people.
But to suggest guns don't kill people is a very misleading statement based on semantic games. It is a statement that should not be repeated as much as it is because of how misleading it is.
And to boil it down to people killing people ignores how effective guns are as a tool for hurting/killing animals/humans and the fact they do nothing else constructive as a tool besides hurting/killing life. If one is a hunter or likes to hunt in their spare time, it is a useful tool. If one needs to hurt/kill humans it is a useful tool. In the wrong hands it only causes harm.
The people who don't want gun profileration are concerned about people getting hurt or killed whether it be intentional or accidental.
The debate is a tricky one because it appears we don't have access to the types of statistics we'd need to prove whether guns are an effective defense or deterrant against home invasions and whether a home invasion by an armed intruder while you are home is statistically probable during your lifetime. Obviously we all have our biases. In this thread I think it is quite obvious that Americans are much bigger believers in thinking it is an effective defense or deterrant against home invasions and that Canadians are much more skeptical that it is an effective defense/deterrant or needed at all.
I'm not trying to take away your guns. But I'm happy I live in a place where carrying concealed or non-concealed guns in everyday life is against the law and where guns are less plentiful. I feel pretty safe without having a gun by my side. In the end that appears what both sides of the debate want, the feeling of being safe. Some believe we're safer with less guns, some believe we're safer with more. I'm not sure it has yet been conclusively proven which side is right and it probably varies by what part of the world you live in.
I've yet to see any knockout punch made by anyone on either side of this argument. Perhaps simply shouting the loudest constitutes as "owning a thread" for you, but I think most would disagree.
Absoultely, but that simply isn't the reality now unfortunately.
Extremely unfortunate. But my point was that adding more guns to the equation doesn't make the world or your home a safer place. Especially those who don't keep their guns locked up properly.
Say your house was broken into (during the day, because like I said; home invasions are more likely to happen during the day.) Remember that shotgun you keep under your bed ("you" as a general term, not you personally) and that pistol you had in your drawer? They were probably found, and stolen. That's an unfortunate contribution to black market weapons. So what's the answer? Get another gun? Increase the chance of another stolen weapon.
If you don't live in a place where you're worried about that, then I'll ask again; why own a gun?
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