Daily work start time

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

if you're not 15 minutes early, you're late.

Where does this ridiculous notion even come from?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Where does this ridiculous notion even come from?

From folks that think they owe their company an additional 60 hours of free work a year.

[Playfair's Hairgel]

Originally Posted by Sample00

as mentioned before, I don't have a problem with a little socializing. My beef was showing up 3-5 minutes late consistently after the shift was suppose to start. Then go through the process of getting ready for their work day.

well than i understand your beef. i am picking up what your laying down.

to me there is no execuse to be late for every shift. i can understand every now and then, but if its everyday these guys need a serious sit down.

[fundmark19]

I was also an hour late for work. Noone really cares. i could leave now and noone would say anything but I feel guilty and will work my full day till 4 30

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by fundmark19

I was also an hour late for work. Noone really cares. i could leave now and noone would say anything but I feel guilty and will work my full day till 4 30

Sounds like this Noone guy is bit of a busybody. Might want to sit down with the boss and have a little talk about Noone, and that it's good that he cares, but that you feel guilty when he says anything.

[IliketoPuck]

Thanks for the good read while at work today.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Where does this ridiculous notion even come from?

It comes from what Sample00 mentions.

No job expects you to start 15 minutes early, they expect you to start on time. Showing up jut on time then spend 15 minutes eating, talking, bathroom, surfing web, check email etc is seen as a strange practice to some who worked for 4.50 minimum wage back in the day.

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by frinkprof

Sounds like this Noone guy is bit of a busybody. Might want to sit down with the boss and have a little talk about Noone, and that it's good that he cares, but that you feel guilty when he says anything.

Are you sure I should do this? I don't want to make things awkward with him. Noone seems like a nice enough guy but showing up late and making me feel guilty about it is going to take its toll on me.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

It comes from what Sample00 mentions.

No job expects you to start 15 minutes early, they expect you to start on time. Showing up jut on time then spend 15 minutes eating, talking, bathroom, surfing web, check email etc is seen as a strange practice to some who worked for 4.50 minimum wage back in the day.

and it was $3.50, back in the day, you young whippersnapper....

Kmart in Marlborough Park, corner of 52nd Street and Madigan Drive. Sweeping floors!

[IliketoPuck]

Yea but you could go to the movies for a dime, and get a coke for a nickel.

[EVERLAST]

hey lets face it ...sorry if your under 30 idgaf....I have worked under commission for over 24 years and am always prepping for my day 45 minutes + per day 6 days a week in advance for the day on MY time (free for those too dumb) and I am DAMN good at what I do for a living.

You can tell these fellas, fellers or whatever how you feel but unless done so by silver platter THEY WONT GET IT....best of luck.

I must be the last guy my age who's father gave him a lasting impression of working for a living and worth every F'ing penny ......

todays generation ......HA

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

hey lets face it ...sorry if your under 30 idgaf....I have worked under commission for over 24 years and am always prepping for my day 45 minutes + per day 6 days a week in advance for the day on MY time (free for those too dumb) and I am DAMN good at what I do for a living.

You can tell these fellas, fellers or whatever how you feel but unless done so by silver platter THEY WONT GET IT....best of luck.

I must be the last guy my age who's father gave him a lasting impression of working for a living and worth every F'ing penny ......

todays generation ......HA

You work for commission. Sure you want to prep your day early, the amount of money you earn may depend on it.

I'm paid hourly, why should I give away free time to the company. I already do that daily because I tend to work late....

You aren't working for every last penny when you are working for free.

Commission jobs may be a little different. If you prep 45 minutes early you may earn a LOT more money, if I prep 45 minutes early I earn nothing, and the company earns money....

[algernon]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

IMO it depends on the employer.

Last year i was working for this company... i busted my ass pretty hard, i worked 11 days straight from my last exam in winter straight through until new years day selling ####, getting up early and running around for this guy. I ended up doing better in sales than anyone else including my boss who worked there full time the entire month (i had from like the 12th-21st off for exams) for the month of december and november despite me working about 25 hours a week.

May comes along and we discuss me possibly running my own store in the future and definatly working full time in the summer. He states that i am a valuable part of the company and that he respects me not only as an employee, but as a friend. I leave after my last exam of the winter semester to go to Cuba for a week (he knew about this in March). Come back to find out i no longer had shifts at work, i wasnt allowed in the back room at all when i came in on the days i didnt work... no respect, no loyalty. I continually called him that month asking for shifts or if he needed help, i offered to take a pay cut if the business was suffering.. nothing.

I called him a month later and he says "I think you are no longer an employee here" Basically my boss fired me and didnt tell me, didnt talk to me about why, didnt even mention to me.. i had to call him.

That day i lost all and total respect for these kinds of employers, i vowed that i would never work in retail again, I need to be surrounded by motivated people who want to move forward and make money and give the company natural progression.


IMO it only takes once for a company to piss off its employees or treat them with disrespect and the company will be hard pressed to earn back that respect.

Dude, that's a harsh burn. At least all Retail places stick together, and will therefore feel the loss of your services.

Seriously, how do you get fired without being told??? I've heard of quitting without notice, but being fired?

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I have a feeling your boss's side of the story would give your tale of woe some much needed balance there Tyler.

You would think but really, i didnt do anything wrong. In febuary he asked me not to do homework while at work which i had no problem with (i worked evenings and past 5 in the mall is dead quiet, the only thing to do is sit around and do homework) and i never did so at work again. Seriously we bought each other christmas gifts, went out for tea and coffee, talked and laughed about life, kids, houses etc. He was more of a friend than a boss in my eyes. Like i said i left for Cuba with him stating i would be full time when i came back, he TOLD ME that i would be full time. I worked a couple days before a left and when i got back... nothing.

The problem i had most of all, if you wanna fire me, fire me. But dont lead me on telling me you are going to give me shifts and whatnot, not telling me exactly what you are thinking. Not to mention he didnt even call me to tell me i was fired... i had to call him.

He was a terrible Boss plain and simple and ive seen many like him. Most employers dont treat their employees with respect anymore. Its a mutual thing. People just look out for themselves now a days.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by algernon

Dude, that's a harsh burn. At least all Retail places stick together, and will therefore feel the loss of your services.

Seriously, how do you get fired without being told??? I've heard of quitting without notice, but being fired?

The worst part was that the job was my backup plan for the summer. By the time June rolled around and he finally told me all the good summer jobs were taken and i was SOL.

If i saw my boss now i wouldnt even give him the time of day.



IMO If an employer wants to be anal about every little thing an employee does than i will be equally anal about the amount of work i do. If they are pissed that i show up 5 mins late, i will never work late to better the company. You learn pretty fast where people's priorities lie.

If an employer is ok with flexible hours and would rather promote their employees to progress than they may find people excell more.

Most of the time by 22ish a person is exactly how they will be for the rest of their lives at least in the fundamentals of life.

[DuffMan]

just for a change of pace...

daily work end time - sometimes I work late, sometimes I leave early and go golfing.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Sample00

thank you very much for all your great comments and ideas.

I am still very much of the "old school" variety and maybe I need to change my way of thinking.

Having said that, I am happy with their overall performance and it isn't worth making a huge fuss about. Still not completely happy with it but I think I can learn to live with it.

May I suggest still having one on ones with each of them? If they are anything like me, they may possibly be losing interest or feel unrecognized. Sometimes all it takes is a manager sitting you down and asking "I noticed you were coming in a bit late, is there anything bothering you or on your mind? Anything I can help with? My door is always open".

You may be surprised how that can get an employee fired up, showing up early to start a shift. Heck, they may even tell you what's causing them to show up late, making your job a hell of a lot easier.

A nice professional and indirect way of trying to find a solution to the root of a problem.

[worth]

If you're loyal to your company, you like your job and enjoy it, you're more likely to show up on time and not have a problem with working unpaid OT.

If you hate your job and your only motivation is money, you're gonna stretch the rules as much as possible. Why come in on time to a job I hate when I can come in 5 minutes late? Why do anything at work when it doesn't matter how hard I work? I don't make any more money. I don't care about the company, so what's in it for me?

I see these as the two mentalities. Someone doing crappy work who know they don't have a place to advance to and no schooling probably don't care a ton. Why should they?

People who like what their doing and have a place to move up or advance their career have more incentive to show up on time.

When I move on to another company and I ask my current boss for a reference, I want him to be able to say to my new potential employer that I was never late. Seems like that is definitely not a given.

Seriously, this book is a must for any managers out there:

[Sylvanfan]

It's actually amazing how infrequently managers seem to be willing to tell employees how they're doing. Especially in my working career, I've maybe had like 2 performance reviews in 15 years.

I bet that if you called them into your office, and asked them about it, they might start showing up 10 minutes early. It's hard to correct a problem, if the other people aren't aware that it is a problem.