Daily work start time

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by driveway

Out of curiosity, what do you offer your employees beyond a paycheck? Do you offer training, benefits, clear paths and opportunities for advancement, personal and professional development, etc?

If you're not offering people anything more than a job, you're not going to get workers who are there for any reason other than money.

Take a moment and think about why these kids are working for you. Is it because they care about you personally? Your business? Your customers? Do they believe in what you're selling, the service that you're providing? Is working at your business beneficial to them in any way other than it provides them with money?

Instead of looking at it as there is something wrong with them and their behaviour, maybe think about it as there is something wrong with the business that isn't motivating people to the necessary behaviour.

There we go, this was where I was going to go. I actually took a manager training course the other week, pretty interesting stuff. I'd say do a bit of self reflection and what you actually bring to the table to motivate said problem employees.

The other point I was going to throw out there that hasn't been mentioned yet (well, kind of by Fotze a bit) is I think there really has been a societal change in terms of how people view life. This is obviously a pretty broad statement, but if some of you oldies figure some of us youngies are too slacky, well, let's just say it's the old live to work vs. work to live argument. Young people ask themselves, what do I really want out of my life? Maybe they don't want to do the things you wanted to do with your career. Is that wrong? Maybe people want to actually enjoy their life and living and dying by their work just doesn't matter. See: European, African and South American cultures and their general societal outlook on work and labour. Also see: less rates of depression, higher rates of happiness, etc.

Finally, I find it extremely tough to listen to baby boomers complain about any generational issue, period. For a variety of perfectly valid reasons.

[GGG]

As far as generations go we young people do have a different outlook.

The big one is we don't have any loyalty to our employers but we don't expect anything from the. We don't expect pensions or a job for life because we have seen down sizing happen. We also learned from the recession that there is no loyalty either way. We jumped ship for a dollar during the boom and they cut our wages in the recession.

So without that loyalty that the old generation had we work for different motivations. The biggest one being mutal respect and percieved fairness. The old I am the boss and what I say goes doesn't work anymore.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by -TC-

The boss has earned his perks, when you are the boss you will have perks too.

Until then, you do what's expected or go find something else to do.



This generation is full of people who think they are entitled, the reality is that you have to earn it.

Excuse me, what? I have to earn the ability to be late? How does my post make me come out as being entitled to something, but then you say with seniority, others are entitled to do whatever they want, simply because they earned it? Do you see how that seems bass ackwards?

My boss has earned squat over all his peers other than a larger paycheque and different job duties. (You see I said peers, not peons or employees?). Setting rules then not following them is a quick way to lose respect among others and a quick way to lose control of your office (seen it happen!). Note, my boss is not an owner and is definitely not near the top in this large publicly traded company, so why should he be exempt from the very thing he preaches about? His position and salary (Based on the typical hours of the day) are set in stone as it everyone elses.

I'll give you this example... I'll laugh if you still say it's ok because he earned it:
For weeks the boss reminds everyone everyday that winter is coming and you MUST be at work by 8am. There will be no excuses whatsoever as you should have ample warning of a snowfall before going to bed. It's your problem to wake up earlier to make it on time. Finally the day comes that it actually does snow. You wake up an hour earlier and make it on time 30 minutes earlier than usual (damn, could have slept in a bit longer!). 8:00 comes by... still no boss. 8:30am, still nothing. 9am, the boss finally rolls into the office, saying roads were bad.

How likely would you take him seriously from here on in? Still going to respect the guy and work hard as ever for him? I guess you're right though, the wonderful boss earned it and it's a perk.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There we go, this was where I was going to go. I actually took a manager training course the other week, pretty interesting stuff. I'd say do a bit of self reflection and what you actually bring to the table to motivate said problem employees.

The other point I was going to throw out there that hasn't been mentioned yet (well, kind of by Fotze a bit) is I think there really has been a societal change in terms of how people view life. This is obviously a pretty broad statement, but if some of you oldies figure some of us youngies are too slacky, well, let's just say it's the old live to work vs. work to live argument. Young people ask themselves, what do I really want out of my life? Maybe they don't want to do the things you wanted to do with your career. Is that wrong? Maybe people want to actually enjoy their life and living and dying by their work just doesn't matter. See: European, African and South American cultures and their general societal outlook on work and labour. Also see: less rates of depression, higher rates of happiness, etc.

Finally, I find it extremely tough to listen to baby boomers complain about any generational issue, period. For a variety of perfectly valid reasons.

That still doesn't give you the right to show up late everyday for work, or at the very least expect to get paid for that late time.

I want those life style choices, but that doesn't mean that I have the right to be disorganized enough to show up late everyday.

If you want to show up for work at 8:15 every day and leave at 4:30 or 4:15 or whatever then make those arrangements with the boss and accept a deduction in pay for that missed time.

Work is work.

[Travis Munroe]

Typical slow day = starting around 11 and going until 10 at night. Granted much of this time can be spent on CP, going out to lunch with clients etc.
Lately I have been in front of the computer no later than 8 and working until 2ish, take a break until 6ish and work again until after midnight.
The thing is I love my career and enjoy doing it!

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That still doesn't give you the right to show up late everyday for work, or at the very least expect to get paid for that late time.

I want those life style choices, but that doesn't mean that I have the right to be disorganized enough to show up late everyday.

If you want to show up for work at 8:15 every day and leave at 4:30 or 4:15 or whatever then make those arrangements with the boss and accept a deduction in pay for that missed time.

Work is work.

Yeah, I get that and I agree, I'm just making a point. In North American society, sometimes people value work too much, that's all.

[First Lady]

Yes, IMO you should say something. But not as joking or in a passing remark.

Sit them both down individually, make sure their clear on the issue.

Do you have staff meetings? That would be an appropriate time to address it as well.

I would point out that this type of behavior will impact their performance reviews.

There are plenty of people out there looking for work....everyone is replaceable.

[TylerSVT]

IMO it depends on the employer.

Last year i was working for this company... i busted my ass pretty hard, i worked 11 days straight from my last exam in winter straight through until new years day selling ####, getting up early and running around for this guy. I ended up doing better in sales than anyone else including my boss who worked there full time the entire month (i had from like the 12th-21st off for exams) for the month of december and november despite me working about 25 hours a week.

May comes along and we discuss me possibly running my own store in the future and definatly working full time in the summer. He states that i am a valuable part of the company and that he respects me not only as an employee, but as a friend. I leave after my last exam of the winter semester to go to Cuba for a week (he knew about this in March). Come back to find out i no longer had shifts at work, i wasnt allowed in the back room at all when i came in on the days i didnt work... no respect, no loyalty. I continually called him that month asking for shifts or if he needed help, i offered to take a pay cut if the business was suffering.. nothing.

I called him a month later and he says "I think you are no longer an employee here" Basically my boss fired me and didnt tell me, didnt talk to me about why, didnt even mention to me.. i had to call him.

That day i lost all and total respect for these kinds of employers, i vowed that i would never work in retail again, I need to be surrounded by motivated people who want to move forward and make money and give the company natural progression.


IMO it only takes once for a company to piss off its employees or treat them with disrespect and the company will be hard pressed to earn back that respect.

[Sliver]

I have a feeling your boss's side of the story would give your tale of woe some much needed balance there Tyler.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Sample00

I say this without attitude, Rhettzky, the big deal is,if you are scheduled to start work at 8:00AM what makes it ok for you to start at 8:05AM?
yes, its minor but nevertheless, it shouldn't be ok.

In my part time job experience I was always early, but most of that experience was at the Dome as an usher and you really had to be early or at least call ahead if you would be late.

But since I've gotten into my professional career, I've always been given a start time range. Usually starting between 8:00 and 9:00 and working my time from there.

I didn't catch what type of work it is that these people are doing, but are you more caught up in the appearance of work or the actual effectiveness of the team? If they're doing a good job, then I guess I don't really see what the big deal is, especially if they make up the time in the long run.

[GirlySports]

Don't make jokes, you're the boss. You making too many jokes gets you no respect.

Call each of them into your office and set the guidelines.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Thread makes me glad that my employer/industry doesn't treat me like an entry level stooge. As long as the work is getting done and there are no issues with the client, life goes on.

But when work doesn't get done and there are issues with the client, what then? All of sudden put your foot down? People will feel that's unfair and will start finger pointing (rightly or wrongly because it had been relaxed for so long and I'm still doing my work, it's the other goofball who is slacking off).

Better to set the guideline from the start and stick with it.

[Sample00]

thank you very much for all your great comments and ideas.

I am still very much of the "old school" variety and maybe I need to change my way of thinking.

Having said that, I am happy with their overall performance and it isn't worth making a huge fuss about. Still not completely happy with it but I think I can learn to live with it.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Pylon, the problem is that the mom and pop type shops with employers like Vic don't exist anymore.

Why would I want to put in an extra second, minute, hour or whatever for an employer who is a giant faceless corp and doesn't give two hoots about me?

The only motivation is promotion. There is no such thing as loyalty anymore.

Maybe I'm being a little black and white but generally I think this is true.

I think that is true. Most people will only do enough not to get fired. I worked for a large multi-national corporation when I first got out of school. At the time I wanted to make a good impression so I worked my ass off and did everything to the best of my ability. Not only that, I wanted to be the best at what I did in the entire company.

What did I get for that? They moved our production to Europe and I got a nice severance. I realized that day that you need to look out for yourself. Anyone that works for a large company knows that they are just a number. If things are going tough for the company you could be let go in a heart beat. Why bust your ass for that?

Currently I work in sales, so I need to work hard to feed my family since I only get paid commission. So that is a different type of motivation.

[habernac]

Showing up to work on time is just courteous. Drives me nuts when I see people who are always late. Agreed with others in the thread that it sucks when the boss has different expectations for the employees than they do for themselves.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by habernac

Showing up to work on time is just courteous. Drives me nuts when I see people who are always late. Agreed with others in the thread that it sucks when the boss has different expectations for the employees than they do for themselves.

ITS COMMON COURTESY!!

[Playfair's Hairgel]

well to be honest with you, are you really that anal about them socializing for 3 mins at the begining of there shift? than you just need to straight up tell them that.

if they are to start at 8am or 12pm then you are right they should be ready to go but having said that, nothign wrong with a little hello to your co workers before you start your shift.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by Playfair's Hairgel

well to be honest with you, are you really that anal about them socializing for 3 mins at the begining of there shift? than you just need to straight up tell them that.

if they are to start at 8am or 12pm then you are right they should be ready to go but having said that, nothign wrong with a little hello to your co workers before you start your shift.

as mentioned before, I don't have a problem with a little socializing. My beef was showing up 3-5 minutes late consistently after the shift was suppose to start. Then go through the process of getting ready for their work day.

[moncton golden flames]

if you're not 15 minutes early, you're late.

[DuffMan]

I forgot to set my alarm clock last night and slept in this morning. I was between 1/2 - 1 hour late, depending on how you look at it.
I don't think my boss even noticed.