2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Royle9]

If the Flames fail to address the need for a TOP 6 scoring threat I feel were in trouble yet again. We need to stop adding "veteran" depth to the bottom 6 and let some of our younger guys fill those empty spots out.

I'm not convinced a coaching change gets us deep into the playoffs next year on its own.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Someone who scored 38 points for the Hurricanes at age 31 while playing with Jeff Skinner is not who we should be targeting in free agency. Certainly not early free agency. Treliving's worst moves have been overpaying for fringe players ie Raymond and Brouwer.

You should be a able to fill your bottom 6 internally. The fourth line shouldn't combine to make more than $5M. Giving plugs money they don't deserve is not a recipe for success.

Byron has nearly 50 goals as a Hab and makes just over a million. If Derek Ryan is coming at that price on day three, whatever. If we give him the 3x3 special, I'll be very irritated. May as well re-sign Stajan if you're gonna do that.

We should be targeting someone who scored 15 goals and 38 points, can play center, has good underlying numbers and can win face offs if he makes the team better. It shouldn't be our only move, but it most can be one move the Flames make.

Nobody is saying to give him $3 million. He shouldn't get more than $2 million, and on a short term, like 2 years.

Stajan had 4 goals and 12 points.

Derek Ryan >> Matt Stajan

Yes we should be able to fill the bottom six internally. But if the players aren't good enough then you have to find other options.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If the Flames fail to address the need for a TOP 6 scoring threat I feel were in trouble yet again. We need to stop adding "veteran" depth to the bottom 6 and let some of our younger guys fill those empty spots out.

I'm not convinced a coaching change gets us deep into the playoffs next year on its own.

Fully agree with this. Also the coach hired really brings a similar resume as the guy that was just fired. Mediocre results year after year despite being a team many in the media thought would take a step the past couple of years.

Flames need scoring and they can no longer bank on guys like Bennett, Brouwer, Lazar, Jankowski etc to breakout. Hopefully a couple of those guys do break out next year but they absolutely need to address the lack of scoring in the top 6 this summer.

[red sky]

Derek Ryan? Two first names? No thanks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If the Flames fail to address the need for a TOP 6 scoring threat I feel were in trouble yet again. We need to stop adding "veteran" depth to the bottom 6 and let some of our younger guys fill those empty spots out.

I'm not convinced a coaching change gets us deep into the playoffs next year on its own.

I'm not going to jump off a bridge if they sign Ryan but I am getting a little tired of the GM's infatuation with defensemen and depth forwards. I kind of wish he could focus on improving the top 6 situation and leave the depth spots open for players like Mangiapane. I'm not sure why there's a rush to replace Stajan with another 30 year old veteran player on the 4th line.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by red sky

Derek Ryan? Two first names? No thanks.

I have two first names so I'll vouch for him. We're good people.

That being said, from a hockey perspective, I don't see what he does to really improve this team.

Keep Nick Shore for $1M less. Plus he's younger.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If the Flames fail to address the need for a TOP 6 scoring threat I feel were in trouble yet again. We need to stop adding "veteran" depth to the bottom 6 and let some of our younger guys fill those empty spots out.

I'm not convinced a coaching change gets us deep into the playoffs next year on its own.

This x2. If treliving does not add a legitimate too 6 scoring threat we will miss the playoffs yet again. Ideally we should be adding two top 6 scoring threats. The group we have now just isnt getting it done, yet alone winning a round in the playoffs.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Anyone else sick and tired of year after year having no secondary scoring? This is a glaring need for quite some time now, and management refuses to address it. Smh

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I have two first names so I'll vouch for him. We're good people.

That being said, from a hockey perspective, I don't see what he does to really improve this team.

Keep Nick Shore for $1M less. Plus he's younger.

Nick Shore has 15 goals in 238 NHL games.

Derek Ryan had 15 goals last season (80 games).

Anyways, I feel like I'm being forced into some Derek Ryan crusade here. Personally, I don't really care if they sign him or not. I just think it's highly likely, and don't think it would hurt anything.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Nick Shore has 15 goals in 238 NHL games.

Derek Ryan had 15 goals last season (80 games).

Anyways, I feel like I'm being forced into some Derek Ryan crusade here. Personally, I don't really care if they sign him or not. I just think it's highly likely, and don't think it would hurt anything.

Derek Ryan as our 3rd line center (if they keep backlund @2) or 4th line center is definitely an UPGRADE to what we have, there's no denying it. I'm not against it either as long as the $ is low and worth it.

But we still need MORE than just Derek Ryan, we need either a 1st line RW or better yet, and complimentary 2nd line scoring winger to play with Tkachuk long term if we'd rather do the pairs thing.

I dont think the 3M line is a long term solution, I personally feel that Backlund and Frolik are better used on a shutdown 3rd line, or give Backlund the 2nd line depth scoring winger and perhaps Derek Ryan slots in as the shutdown 3rd line center.


Gaudreau - Monahan - ____
Tkachuk - Backlund - Scoring Acquisition
____ - Ryan - Frolik

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Nick Shore has 15 goals in 238 NHL games.

Derek Ryan had 15 goals last season (80 games).

Anyways, I feel like I'm being forced into some Derek Ryan crusade here. Personally, I don't really care if they sign him or not. I just think it's highly likely, and don't think it would hurt anything.

Derek Ryan played higher in the Carolina lineup with better talent than Shore did in LA or will in Calgary. Same would go for Ryan here. He'd play the 4C role and his point total would regress accordingly. Why overpay for a 4C when that extra million can go anywhere else?

[RyZ]

I feel Ryan would be a great Brouwer replacement. Of course the problem is, we still have Brouwer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I feel Ryan would be a great Brouwer replacement. Of course the problem is, we still have Brouwer.

This is the problem. Brower is Treliving's mistake and I feel he should have to suck that one up and accept that he's the 30+ year old veteran player slated for the 4th line.

[Phaneufenstein]

What about RFA Mark Stone + 2nd rounder for Dougie?
Maybe add more picks to even it out.

Flames get their youngish (26 yo) RHS RW top line player.
Ottawa gets Dougie at a controlled cap hit for the next 3 years.
With Karlsson being as good as gone, their D looks atrocious.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I'd strongly prefer Dougie and his contract. Stone could refuse to sign long-term or request the moon. If Stone had a reasonable contract agreement in place, it's closer, but I'll be a homer and stick with Dougie.

If the rumours of OEL getting 8M+ are true, which I have no reason to believe they aren't, OEL and Hamilton's stat lines are near identical over the last 3 years but Dougie's younger. It will be hard to get the same value as Dougie at 5.75M with Stone and his, likely, massive contract.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'd strongly prefer Dougie and his contract. Stone could refuse to sign long-term or request the moon. If Stone had a reasonable contract agreement in place, it's closer, but I'd stick with Dougie.

If we are talking about improving our forward depth and deal from a position of strength (defence) I think it makes sense.

I think there'd be incentive for Mark Stone to sign a reasonable contract here
His brother plays here, the Flames are decent team on the rise, plus he's RFA not UFA, so he doesn't have all the leverage.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

What about RFA Mark Stone + 2nd rounder for Dougie?
Maybe add more picks to even it out.

Flames get their youngish (26 yo) RHS RW top line player.
Ottawa gets Dougie at a controlled cap hit for the next 3 years.
With Karlsson being as good as gone, their D looks atrocious.

I just say no. Heck no to prioritizing a winger over an elite top pairing defenceman.

Dougie is a key piece here, and would be anywhere goes.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Anyone else sick and tired of year after year having no secondary scoring? This is a glaring need for quite some time now, and management refuses to address it. Smh

It's a consequence of the franchise's chronic poor drafting, and reliance on dealing picks to fill depth positions. Poor drafting means no depth. No depth means you need to spend picks to fill out roster. Deficit of picks handicaps drafting further.

In recent years management has traded away 2x 1st, 5x 2nds, and 2x 3rds for defencemen and goalies because it didn't have ready prospects in the pipeline at those positions.

Now the franchise is woefully thin at forward. And on the cycle goes.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I just say no, heck no - to prioritizing a winger over an elite top pairing defenceman.

Dougie is a key piece here, and would be anywhere goes.

Well Stone is pretty damn good, got size, and fills a need for the Flames, hence my proposal. As I mentioned the value can be evened out using additional picks.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

If we are talking about improving our forward depth and deal from a position of strength (defence) I think it makes sense.

I think there'd be incentive for Mark Stone to sign a reasonable contract here
His brother plays here, the Flames are decent team on the rise, plus he's RFA not UFA, so he doesn't have all the leverage.

Looking at on-ice factors only, it's a trade that would make a lot of sense, you are correct. I'd still be hesitant of giving up a young future number 1 defenseman.

But Stone's an RFA for one more year, he could be gone by 2020. And even if he does sign, take a look at RFA players around the league that signed recently like Eichel (10), Draisaitl (8.5), Kuznetzov (7.8) and Johanasen (8). Centers(ish) list so not a direct comparable, but Stone is a point-per-game player (or was this season) with solid defensive abilities. At this point the lowest he should be signing for is 8M. If he's willing to sign for Gaudreau's contract, it's a no brainer but that's probably not the case.

Hamilton@5.75M>Stone@9M
Hamilton@5.75M=Stone@8M
Hamilton@5.75M<Stone@7M